Karen advert

[IncognitoMam]

This shouldn't be allowed surely? Who comes up with this shit?
I'm not called Karen but I know Karen's that hate their name now because of the way it's used.

I think we’re all flabbergasted by how obtuse you are. And that, as a white woman, you’ve been spamming the board to try to derail even Black posters saying they don’t like the term. Educate yourself and listen to people’s lived experiences.

I know a lot of middle aged women. And I am one.

Not a single one of us has ever screamed at an employee for no reason. Nor exhibited any of the other (rather extreme) behaviours you describe.

But most of us have been called "Karens".

Generaly when we've been calling out sexism.

I've noticed that as I am more often being called "a Karen", I'm less often being called "a white feminist".

Which leads me to the conclusion that they are both terms to try to get an experienced, confident, middle aged women to STFU. Or to try to discredit what we're saying via a lazy sexist agesist ad hominen. Or to discourage others from associating with us and what we're saying via a lazy sexist ageist ad hominen.

And I've never heard a man called either "a Karen" or "a male Karen". Nor any other equivalent slur...

@DeeCee77 this

The term has changed usage, it’s not what we want

At least try to hear what women are saying

Then why aren’t you out there castigating the men who have misappropriated the word into a general misogynistic insult rather than posting C&P into this thread. You are lecturing the victims of an insult for the fact that an insult is being misused against them.

It’s starting to sound like the first rule of misogyny

1. Women are responsible for what men do

Men have misappropriated this term, yet you are here telling women that they don’t understand.

You know that new edit ability? Wish there was a way to block/mute a poster 🙄

Whether or not people wish to claim that "Karen" refers only to white women and the uneasy status they occupy in terms of privilege to trumps, the origins of the term are far from clear. It certainly wasn't in use around the time of Emmett Till. The very first widely seen "Karens" were all of the "she took my kids and turned them against me" variety. At that point it referred to women who men felt had treated them badly in a divorce. It has developed since then to refer to any woman, and has also simultaneously been claimed to be actually a tool to fight oppression, which I guess is handy for the men who enjoy using it.

*privilege top trumps

What's ironic is although the term Karen refers to a racist white american woman weaponising her white privilege, thus nothing to do with those who are not, your friends are displaying some of the Karen tropes (ie. self absorbed, complaining)...

What’s actually ironic is that @DeeCee77 seems to be saying that we’re automatically Karens if we object to being called a Karen. That simply rejecting the label makes us a Karen.

Seems a bit like using a ducking stool. Unsurprising, since it’s the modern-day equivalent of calling an assertive middle-aged woman you disagree with ’Witch’.

I can’t decide if @DeeCee77 is simply too stupid to engage with the fact that the slur has evolved and is used differently in the UK, or is just deliberately silencing us.

They are among the worst of the worst. The men carried out the terror

So women weren't actually the very worst. Do you have a term for the men who carry out the actual violence?

@DeeCee77

Is just one of those people who likes to “educate” people, while completely ignoring the valid objections everybody raises to arguments presented.

“If I link to just one more article and post just one more picture, then surely everyone will fall in line”.

No, debate doesn’t work like that.

Loads of comments and I haven't read them all.

Women have been consistenty ignored and dismissed by the medical establishment... this gives practice management a green light to continue to do that.

Women take on an uneven share of household administration, including booking medical appointments, failure to understand your service booker and filtering out their needs using technology is something that will increasingly become a problem as technical design continues to be overwhelmingly staffed by men who design systems unfit for women.

The Karen insult has been used to refer to women, speaking..

The source of the phrase as well as the justification of it's use by picking out examples where white women have been unquestionably racist are true but there are significantly more examples of where men have been racist, have been violent and have been a much larger part of the societal structure that created the slave trade and kept non white people out of society. I do not question that many white women benefited from segregation and slavery, but men bear a greater share of the responsibility for this but feel less of the anger and feature less in the examples where specific individuals names, stories and images are shared.

Hmmm, imagine if we all had the option to block/ mute posters that anybody disagreed with. What would that look like I wonder🤔

The men carried out the terror (public lynchings) but quite often at the instigation of the Karen

So what's your nickname for those men, DeeCee?

Definition of a Karen
What does Karen mean? Karen is a pejorative slang term for an obnoxious, angry, entitled, and often racist middle-aged white woman who uses her privilege to get her way or police other people's behaviors.

Obnoxious
Angry
Entitled
Often racist
Uses her privilege

How is that being used as a slur against assertive women?

My sons MiL is called Karen and such a lovely person as you could ever wish to meet . It's really annoying .

Ah. So insulting a woman by calling her an offensive term for female anatomy is somehow an improvement.

Again, I really hope, whatever sex you are, you aren't bringing up daughters as you have no respect whatsoever for women.

I don't mind a proper disagreement. Some just go on and on and don't hear the other opinion/s. Derail threads and are just totally boring.

Be nice to mute even if others could still read if they wanted to.

There is no such term.

As ever, women get the blame for male violence.

That's been answered time and time again if you actually read the thread. You've obviously not bothered to read it.

The term 'Karen' originated from white men on Reddit and it was always meant to be a misogynistic attack on white women. Not sure why all the revisionist history on this thread.

Abject misogyny

Really can't get worked up about this even though i dont really like the term. . My sister's name is Karen she calls other people Karen . While it is derogatory, the actions of those who are called it do sometimes need to be called out on those actions and it's a way of highlighting that poor behaviour

Oh do catch up. It's being used all the time nowadays.

Incorrect

Exactly.

If, as @DeeCee77 claims, this label is a necessary tool in naming oppression (despite not existing before 2018 although the concept of weaponised tears existed long before), it's interesting that there isn't a male equivalent. Despite the men being the ones who do the actual killing. Takes the heat off them nicely I guess. I have certainly many times witnessed the unedifying spectacle of a white beardy he/him wanker bang on about weaponised white women's tears, completely oblivious to the fact that what he is talking about with such outrage and fury makes him a weapon. (In every sense.)