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IncognitoMam · 2023-08-26T06:29:14+00:00

This shouldn't be allowed surely? Who comes up with this shit? I'm not called Karen but I know Karen's that hate their name now because of the way it's used.

MorrisZapp · 26/08/2023 22:28

DojaPhat · 26/08/2023 22:23

No other group faces the amount of mistreatment and condemnation as white women.

Women. Sexism is aimed at women. It starts at birth and ends when we die. We don't like it. Is this news to you?

OnTheWayThere · 26/08/2023 22:29

My name is Karen too. I think it's silly like all name-calling is but it doesn't bother me. No one has changed the meaning of my name. That's being dramatic.

TheaBrandt · 26/08/2023 22:29

Pretty sure the posters on this thread I imagine English women of any colour objecting to being criticised for being older women being assertive are not the ones responsible for mistreatment of people of colour in America either now or in the past.

TheaBrandt · 26/08/2023 22:30

High drama is from your side love.

Baldieheid · 26/08/2023 22:32

As a term, it's clearly being used in more than one way. I'm not sure those incorrectly slinging it at the "wrong" people particularly care, to be honest. I doubt they'd listen to anyone correcting their usage of it. In fact, it would probably earn you more abuse.

NotTerfNorCis · 26/08/2023 22:33

Karen is used loads as a mic drop by smug blokes on the internet. Those blokes often don't know the age or skin colour of the woman they're putting down. 'Karen' translates to 'you stupid little woman'.

MorrisZapp · 26/08/2023 22:34

TheaBrandt · 26/08/2023 22:29

Pretty sure the posters on this thread I imagine English women of any colour objecting to being criticised for being older women being assertive are not the ones responsible for mistreatment of people of colour in America either now or in the past.

No that was mainly men, but 'white women' make an easier target.

DojaPhat · 26/08/2023 22:34

TheaBrandt · 26/08/2023 22:19

Speak to the men using it to shut down women of all colours then don’t harangue us.

I do wonder if a white woman would report being called a Karen to the police in much the same manner I once found myself making a report after a parking dispute resulted in the other party calling me a 'fucking n-word'.

HRTQueen · 26/08/2023 22:37

My side what does that mean ?

and Karen is used to call out underhand racism here in the UK. It’s a very particular type of behaviour being called out if you said to the person you are being racist they would demand evidence what did the say that is so wrong but underhand racism isn’t just about words

it’s been used in other ways but it’s certainly used to call out such behaviour

TheaBrandt · 26/08/2023 22:38

But your argument is so weird. Of course that’s terrible and wrong but other groups (the dreaded “white women”) also being called names doesn’t fix it. Why are you so exercised that we have to accept being insulted? It doesn’t right the other wrongs? I genuinely don’t understand the train of thought.

Baldieheid · 26/08/2023 22:38

Some would, some wouldn't.
That's about as much as anyone could say, surely.

Mummyoflittledragon · 26/08/2023 22:40

DojaPhat · 26/08/2023 19:52

It really comes to something when white women feel demonised and almost subhuman because someone called them a Karen.

@User452023 upthread stated that she has also been called a Karen.

TooBigForMyBoots · 26/08/2023 22:41

Doesn't bother me in the slightest. It's an Australian ad. In the UK Karen is the weakest "slur" ever.🙄

Username1107 · 26/08/2023 22:42

DojaPhat · 26/08/2023 22:34

I do wonder if a white woman would report being called a Karen to the police in much the same manner I once found myself making a report after a parking dispute resulted in the other party calling me a 'fucking n-word'.

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I doubt the police would do anything anyway. There wouldn't be much point.

MorrisZapp · 26/08/2023 22:42

HRTQueen · 26/08/2023 22:37

My side what does that mean ?

and Karen is used to call out underhand racism here in the UK. It’s a very particular type of behaviour being called out if you said to the person you are being racist they would demand evidence what did the say that is so wrong but underhand racism isn’t just about words

it’s been used in other ways but it’s certainly used to call out such behaviour

Why does racism need a special word when it's women? Men are just racist. No extra terms needed.

HRTQueen · 26/08/2023 22:46

As I said it’s calling out a particular type of behaviour. is this behaviour which is more passive aggressive more prevalent in women maybe I don’t know but I do know that just calling out revising is often hard to do and then so often dismissed as no actual racist words have been used

BillaBongGirl · 26/08/2023 22:50

TheaBrandt · 26/08/2023 22:29

Pretty sure the posters on this thread I imagine English women of any colour objecting to being criticised for being older women being assertive are not the ones responsible for mistreatment of people of colour in America either now or in the past.

Racist behaviour by white women isn’t only a historical or American issue.

Not sure what your point is really? You can’t be saying we dont have any right to want or coin any slang or memes to refer to entitled racist behaviour by mostly white women? Can you?

TheaBrandt · 26/08/2023 22:50

I genuinely think we are at cross purposes. The way I see Karen used in England is by men and younger women aimed at criticising older women of all races for speaking up in a way that if a man or younger woman had done would be unremarked on. So not related to race at all. It seems unfair that objecting to this labels one a racist. That can’t be what you intend?

DojaPhat · 26/08/2023 22:53

TheaBrandt · 26/08/2023 22:38

But your argument is so weird. Of course that’s terrible and wrong but other groups (the dreaded “white women”) also being called names doesn’t fix it. Why are you so exercised that we have to accept being insulted? It doesn’t right the other wrongs? I genuinely don’t understand the train of thought.

I'm not making an argument per se. I don't see that there is one to make. I am not sure why you say "dreaded 'white women", there is nothing to be gained for Black women especially to throw their lot in with white women fighting to dismantle sexism or any other issue that relates to the wellbeing and prosperity of 'all' women. Intersectionality very much means various groups of women will have very different experiences of womanhood, so to speak. I do not for one second think the issues which Black girls (will) face are the same as white girls in e.g. teenagehood, motherhood etc. Pretending it's about 'women' as a whole does everyone else but white women a massive disservice.

When threads like this pop up as they do with increasing regularity the same talking points always arise. I like to check in every now and then to see if any new ones have emerged since the last one. Alas none.

NotTerfNorCis · 26/08/2023 22:55

TheaBrandt · 26/08/2023 22:50

I genuinely think we are at cross purposes. The way I see Karen used in England is by men and younger women aimed at criticising older women of all races for speaking up in a way that if a man or younger woman had done would be unremarked on. So not related to race at all. It seems unfair that objecting to this labels one a racist. That can’t be what you intend?

Agreed. In the UK it almost never has anything to do with race. I'm seeing it increasingly as a put down for any woman who dares to have an opinion.

Fact is, there are people out there who think we're all Karens because we're on Mumsnet. Like this guy:

https://twitter.com/PaulMoroz5/status/1678757715504427009

It’s a reflection of the current crop of Karens (see mumsnet), who thrive on being dramatic about every bogeyman going.

https://twitter.com/PaulMoroz5/status/1678757715504427009

HRTQueen · 26/08/2023 23:01

But it is used to do with race

just because some on mumsnet have decided it’s nothing to do with race in the UK doesn’t mean that this is the actual case

Who am I to tell someone don’t use it in that way as it’s also used by misogynists to try and shut down middle aged women and it is upsetting for some when they have just been racially insulted/abused

Baldieheid · 26/08/2023 23:03

DojaPhat · 26/08/2023 22:53

I'm not making an argument per se. I don't see that there is one to make. I am not sure why you say "dreaded 'white women", there is nothing to be gained for Black women especially to throw their lot in with white women fighting to dismantle sexism or any other issue that relates to the wellbeing and prosperity of 'all' women. Intersectionality very much means various groups of women will have very different experiences of womanhood, so to speak. I do not for one second think the issues which Black girls (will) face are the same as white girls in e.g. teenagehood, motherhood etc. Pretending it's about 'women' as a whole does everyone else but white women a massive disservice.

When threads like this pop up as they do with increasing regularity the same talking points always arise. I like to check in every now and then to see if any new ones have emerged since the last one. Alas none.

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Interesting.
I guess we could also say that different sub groups within each group also have different experiences from each other. A woman from Kenya will have experienced a very different life from a woman born in London. They may share a skin colour but that's likely to be it.

All we really have in common is our sex.
Is that fair to say?

HRTQueen · 26/08/2023 23:04

Who gives a fuck what some random person thinks of women on mumsnet

we are called witches and bitches all sorts of things but Karen oh Lordy he has stepped over the line now

and mumsnet is ridiculous at times it should be criticised and called out

NotTerfNorCis · 26/08/2023 23:12

we are called witches and bitches all sorts of things but Karen oh Lordy he has stepped over the line now

Yeah exactly - Karen is a general misogynist insult just like witch and bitch.

BillaBongGirl · 26/08/2023 23:17

NotTerfNorCis · 26/08/2023 22:55

Agreed. In the UK it almost never has anything to do with race. I'm seeing it increasingly as a put down for any woman who dares to have an opinion.

Fact is, there are people out there who think we're all Karens because we're on Mumsnet. Like this guy:

https://twitter.com/PaulMoroz5/status/1678757715504427009

It’s a reflection of the current crop of Karens (see mumsnet), who thrive on being dramatic about every bogeyman going.

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I have run into Karens on Mumsnet. We’ve had racist posts deleted 90% chance that were posted by Karens (as 90% users are women) instead of Kens. So there is always a “crop” of Karens on here. He wasn’t even remotely saying “we’re all Karens because we’re on mumsnet”

Karens exist and Karens exist on Mumsnet. Ask MNHQ…they are quite good at zapping racist posts.

And I agree, I don’t care what some random says on X /Twitter either. You can be a Karen and be into all the conspiracy theory bogeymen stuff too.