Paris Fury

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Been watching the series on Netflix and really like her, she seems smart and strong and puts up with a lot. The only thing I don’t understand is allowing the kids to go to Tyson’s fights, he even says he doesn’t want them there.
Has anyone else seen the series?
it’s made me really intrigued about the traveller lifestyle and how things must be for females

I don't think many traveller families drag their children out of education. It's usually a joint decision with the child. You model what you see, if most men in your family work in a trade, most of the women stay in the home, why would you not do the same? Most of us, as a rule, end up in similar situations to those we grow up around. There's relatively few children who are the product of people who don't work and live in really deprived areas who end up in Oxbridge, that's just a statistical fact.

1. It shouldn't be a decision for a 12 year old child to make to leave education. That's not a decision a child that young has the life experience or intellectual/emotional capacity to make.
2. You model what you see: up to a point but plenty of people go against their background and, for example, go to university where their parents haven't (or vice versa) If they aren't educated to a standard which would allow them to have a choice they are being deprived of that choice. I have no problem with people taking an informed decision to remain with their children as opposed to going out to work, but they need to have the options and and the tools to be in control of that decision and not have it decided for them when they are still children.
3. There's relatively few children who are the product of people who don't work and live in really deprived areas who end up in Oxbridge, that's just a statistical fact. We're not talking about getting to Oxbridge. We're talking about being allowed to prepare yourself sufficiently that you can be financially self sufficient and therefore prevent yourself from having to be dependent on a man who believes you are essentially his property. All it takes is being educated to a point where you are capable of earning your own money.

Oh that’s OK then. Women aren’t allowed freedom until marriage.

@Proudgypsy not at all, I'm trying to reconcile my unease with certain cultural traditions, with my desire not to be racist.

In that post I was responding directly to @ClemmyTine's post. If what she said is true, then my comment stands.

I wouldn't be bringing my children up around this man

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/sport/2015/dec/07/tyson-fury-outrage-homosexuality-women-religion-divisive-sporting-star

http://en.espn.co.uk/boxing/sport/story/246173.html

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/may/13/tyson-fury-banned-antisemitic-comments-video

Eh @pickledandpuzzled nothing racist about what you said. Just like there would be nothing racist about you being uneasy about the patriarchal traditions of my S Asian culture. Which does not mean that everything is great about British culture either. Surely we pick and choose.

used to live near one of the biggest traveller settlements (oxymoron that, but true) in Europe and on numerous occasions in bank/post office queues had to wait behind them being helped to read and fill in forms because they hadn't learned to read or write. If that's a cultural norm, it's a depressing one. Lots of crime and delivery people wouldn't go to their settlement as postmen had been frequently injured/threatened doing so. FGM is a cultural norm too, but we don't justify that.

My point is that it's up to the culture to make changes, not white British culture to shame them. Things will change. Pakistani women used to have lots of children but now mostly have careers and want their daughters to be educated and have careers.
Traveller girls who once probably didn't attend school at all now stay in until year 9, often later. Change doesn't happen overnight.

Did Liz Truss also say she would hang her sister for sleeping around?

Very true @Gahhhhereheisagain

But also, I don't feel any obligation to defend a cultural practice that I disagree with.

"Suffers from mental health" ffs.

Millions of people have various mental health problems, including me and my partner, and yet don't act like overgrown todflers who treat their wives like shit.

Exactly.
And dropping your child off at the breakfast club is hardly the same as taking them out of school completely after primary education.

Most of us, as a rule, end up in similar situations to those we grow up around. There's relatively few children who are the product of people who don't work and live in really deprived areas who end up in Oxbridge, that's just a statistical fact.

It‘s not about going to Oxbridge, it’s about getting a basic education so later they have even a hint of a chance to chose what kind of life they actually want for themselves.

I agree. My family were immigrants, and while it was important to them that me and my siblings wouldn’t forget our native language, they also wanted us to integrate in our new country.
I don’t think that alienating one‘s children from the local culture is a great move.

‚A lot of hatred‘? PP was just responding to another comment that said:

They do go out with friends after marriage. At school there's rusk of mixing with the locals and becoming like them. Travellers look down on gorgers,, they perceived as not having the same morals
They get a bit of freedom when they are married.

I think shes great

😂 That's funny

Quite. We rightly don’t defend practices such as cutting female children or forced marriage any more on the grounds that they are “cultural”.

This may not be as visibly barbaric but fundamentally it’s something which uses “tradition” to justify a damaging and discriminatory practice.

Like all minorities travellers should be entitled to their traditions except where they underpin harmful discrimination. Not allowing girls to be educated is about as harmful as you can get, short of physical abuse.

@Thepeopleversuswork I don't think they are 'not allowing'. Mostly the girls ask to stop attending school and the parents say ok. From my understanding of the community.

Because the girls haven’t been conditioned to think that’s the way things should be, of course.

and if a child asks to stop attending school it’s absolutely reasonable for a parent to acquiesce.

I agree.

But I am still confused by the eldest daughter being withdrawn from school and being told she can be a career woman.

Colleen Rooney seems anything but a doormat.

Paris made it very clear to her daughter that she’d need to get a job when older and wouldn’t be scrounging of her dad.

@Gahhhhereheisagain

We are born free but everywhere we are in chains.

Going on that premise for me it's about choice not brainwashing.

What mental health condition causes someone to spout antisemitic conspiracy theories? Is it the same one that causes to be sexist and homophobic?

She's certainly easier to listen to than say Katie price. She seems educated to me