Dogs in Greggs

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I'm in Greggs getting my free O2 coffee. There's a dog next to the counter.

Surely dogs in open food places shouldn't be allowed?

YABU - of course all dogs can go in these places
YANBU - dogs have no place there

(Awaits the Greggs comments...🤣)

Arguably humans are not essential either. However times change, things move on. Progress. We don't want to stay stuck in the past. And it's great that many business owners are welcoming of dogs these days.

Substitute dogs for children in this post. Would rather be with dogs than children

You need to train him better then. I have 2 intact males who mark constantly on walks but they would never do it indoors

I think we’ll have to agree to disagree about whether allowing dogs in so many places is progress!

I do feel very sorry for people with allergies. There are very limited places they can actually go now.

I wouldn’t actually be fussed about dogs if so many of the ones I encounter weren’t so badly trained. Small dogs and their owners seem to be the worst round here - people seem to make more effort with the larger ones.

If there were no humans there would be no dogs in places though.

I had to leave a pub the other week. The massive Irish wolfhound which had been sat in the seats triggered my severe dog allergy.

There was nowhere else to sit.

I would much rather a dog in Greggs than some snotty kid with sticky fingers touching everything.

It's awful. As usual the very very strange posters comparing kids to dogs. Er kids don't kill people or touch strangers.
The entitlement is so strong,many on this thread show it. They don't care. At all. I don't think they would care if their dog dud hurt or bite someone either as long as they didn't have to put it down.

I don't know how you can even think something like this never mind say it out loud. Children are humans who have a right to be pretty much everywhere!

Weird you're surprised by this sentiment. Maybe you're of a certain age but attitudes to children have changed of late.

Speak to any young professional and they will agree kids are annoying. Everyone I know thinks the same. Even those with kids admit to having a better life before kids. Some wish they got dogs instead lol

And for the record, kids are not allowed in pubs after 9pm, but my dog sure is 😘

Kids absolutely do touch strangers. And some grow up and end up killing people.

I have not seen any sort of indication of any dog owner on this thread that would suggest they would not care if their dog harmed someone. None at all.

My dog doesn't bite. So I don't need to worry about dog being put down for biting someone.

Kids are generally loud and annoying. Sometimes they get under your feet. And they leave mess everywhere. It's a fact of life.

Dogs are far easier than kids. And they can, as a pp pointed out, be in the pub after 9pm.

While there's quite a good amount of people with dog allergies, there are actually very few people who have such severe dog allergies that they get triggered by a dog merely being on the other side of the room. Also, service dogs are allowed everywhere, so you can't guarantee a dog free environment anyway. Would you ban peanuts from pubs to accommodate the very small amount of people triggered by peanuts merely being present in a room? Pubs and Greggs and Wilko's are optional establishments, unlike a doctor's office or a pharmacy or a grocery store.

But a doctors surgery or a&e now have added dogs. They are everywhere. People are unable to judge where is acceptable to take a dog. I saw a woman yesterday trying to get one in to a soft play area.

and if greggs and pubs places are optional, it’s perfectly reasonable to expect the person causing the issue, ie the dog person, not to come. Not to expect the world to bend to their will just because it’s not against the law (yet). Wait for a big bite incident and things will change. This is why smoking is now banned inside, it negatively affects the majority.

I'd argue that you were never really a true dog lover in the first place then

I have a pedigree Shih Tzu and he's the least annoying dog ever. He's not a 'yapper' and is indifferent to most humans.

Dogs in a pub or quietly walking round a large department store aren’t affecting ‘the majority’ in any way.

Went to pets at home and someone’s dog shat in the isle. A worker there had to clean it up. I have a dog but there’s no denying they have no place in greggs, they don’t have the same hygiene

dogs want to kill innately. Most humans don’t

There is a crap owner on here who lets her ‘small and cute’ dog sit on train tables which are designed for eating off. Because he likes the view
Here we go again! I'd this going to come up at every thread about dogs?

How convenient to forget EVERY TIME that I also stated that I clean the table every time afterwards, isn't it? And of course fail to consider that it leaves the table much cleaner for the next person than the one who was eating at the same table leaving pieces of food (and won't mention children) who don't apply the same consideration.

I am certainly not a crap owner. The fact that you conveniently forget to state an important information in your narrative leads me to believe that you apply the same attitude to all your stories of awful dogs and their owners. You can only see what fits your narrow minded views.

What is sad on all these threads about dogs is how a number of people, who clearly detest all dogs seem unable to distinguish the difference between poorly or dangerous dogs and the rest of the dogs.

Good owners hate bad owners too. If I go to a cafe or pub and a dog barks non stop, I'll be as annoyed as you. If I see a dog doing a poo and the owner does t pick it up, I tell them very unpleasantly that they are a disgrace.

Stop putting EVERY dog and owner in the same category.

So I'll ask: if you come in to Greggs and you see a owner with a small dog, who doesn't shred, on a lead, sitting quietly right next to their owner on the queue, not sniffing, not even looking at people, do you still think that it's terrible that this dog should be allowed in?

There is a crap owner on here who lets her ‘small and cute’ dog sit on train tables which are designed for eating off. Because he likes the view

No, this is just one step too far.

Also, service dogs are allowed everywhere, so you can't guarantee a dog free environment anyway
This has been pointed out so many times in such threads, but of course, those who go on about allergies every time never bother to respond to that comment because there are no arguments against it! They just wait for the next dog thread to spur that same pointless comment.

and if greggs and pubs places are optional, it’s perfectly reasonable to expect the person causing the issue, ie the dog person, not to come
It's really very simple. Places that don't allow dogs just need to put a note on the door to stipulate dogs or no dogs allowed. I go by that. I would never take my dog where it says dogs not allowed.

The other day, I wanted to stop at the bank when I had my dog with me. I assumed they would t be allowed and I would need to come back but looking at the sign on the door, it actually had a picture of a dog that depicted that they were allowed.

When that's the case I don't consider that I still couldn't come in. If someone inside next to me told me she was petrified of dogs and was polite about it, I would of course move away. This has never happened so far.

The counters are covered. No problem regarding hygiene

The difference with service dogs is that a) there are a lot fewer of them, so someone with an allergy is less likely to encounter them just due to numbers and b) it’s very different having to adjust your life because someone else NEEDS a service dog as opposed to having to adjust your life because someone else CHOOSES to have a pet.

OMG. Do you know how many people are killed by people each year compared to dogs?
Stabbings? Shootings?
There were 109 homicides in London alone last year.

I think you might be getting your species mixed up?

I would never take my dog where it says dogs not allowed.

But this should not be your measure.

your measure should be

• is it appropriate for the dog
• am i causing the dog unnecessary anxiety by bringing him in (potentially in a pub or food shop or crowded area)
• am I causing unnecessary hassle, or potential illness to other people
• could a bite or incident occur
• does this venue have the capacity to deal with my dog if a situation occurred

Most owners on here are thinking of their own ease, certainly not other people and not even the dog. No matter how much they dress it up as “he likes it”.

In the same way a 12a film is allowed to be viewed by under 12’s. Great. So apply the same logic to that.

“I WILL bring in my child, to watch this film, regardless of the child’s individual needs or fears, because I want to and nothing in law stops me.” That is being a bad mum.

bringing a dog in to a shop just because you can, is being a bad owner.