To think Lucy Letby should be made to attend court for the sentencing

[Viviennemary]

I know there are other threads on this terrible case. But I just read she has refused to attend court for the sentencing which is to be on Monday morning. The judge said he does not have the power to force her to attend. Can't see she will ever be allowed out of prison. And rightly so.

There are specialist teams that can be brought in for many situations including riots etc. People still die or are injured. Because these are high-risk situations. There's literally no way to remove all
risks.

Can someone quote a post which showed sympathy to Letby please?

Why do people here keep confusing the impracticalities of doing this with thinking people here has sympathy for the murderer. NO ONE has that ok? Get over yourselves.

Indeed, but apparently it would be dead easy to sort. Because some posters are busy having an extended Dunning Kruger justice fantasywank.

Riot squads are brought in for the protection of the public. Not so some randoms can gleefully tell arch a woman’s face react to news she knows is coming

Would I want that person to be tried and convicted? Absolutely.

Would I want that person to suffer psychologically for the rest of their life and suffer? Yes I think I would.

Would I want them to get the death penalty? Would I want them to be attacked and harmed in prison? Would I want them to have no rights and be physically or mentally tortured?

I wouldn't.

My emotions about that individual might say yes. But as a human, do I really want that? and want it to apply to everyone? No.

Alison Kelly has been suspended. The first of many I hope.

It's the histrionic hyperbole.

"You must think her rights are more important, you must think the victims are unimportant"

Nope. Literally no-one said that.

But they don't want to hear about how difficult it would be to actually do, and apparently (going by many posts) don't care about the staff who would actually have to facilitate their demands.

It’s pathetic - like baying for the woman’s blood with no consideration of consequences is the only valid opinion.

The boys’ mother attacks Letby for refusing to appear in court for some of the verdicts or her sentencing. She says:
Even in these final days of the trial she has tried to control things, the disrespect she has shown the families and the court show what type of person she is. We have attended court day in and day out, yet she decides she has had enough, and stays in her cell, just one final act of wickedness from a coward.

The poor parents. The victim impact statements are filled with so much pain, guilt at not doing more and blaming themselves. Harrowing. My heart goes out to them.

I think people here (presumably women mostly) are trying to relate to her somehow by suggesting she sees and hears the pain she's caused, as if that will make her think 'oh actually, I do feel kind of bad.' No, people who make a habit of killing babies are incapable of true remorse. You'll never be able to understand a person like her, she's not like you.

I haven’t seen anyone suggest anything like that. I’ve just seen people arguing that it would be futile and physically distressing to force her to attend court

Sorry but you're talking rubbish. Lots of people have said she should be there to face the families, etc.

@AllOfThemWitches that's why it would be traumatising for the victims to see that. She will have no remorse, if she did, she wouldn't have been in this situation today with blood on her hands. This would have continued if she carried on working there or another hospital.

I think @AllOfThemWitches is trying to engage with what might be motivating some of the expressions of hatred and desire for vicarious vengeance on this thread rather than saying that's what they said.

Nothing would be good enough for such people: if Lucy Letby cried it would be crocodile tears, if impassive what a cow.

Exactly, so there is absolutely no point in 'forcing' her to be there. Let it rot.

Ah I have misunderstood what you said. Apologies

Specialist teams exist for lots of things.

And all carry risks. You seem to think a specialist team wouldn't?

Firefighters are specialists in fighting fires. That doesn't mean people don't die or are injured.

Resuscitation teams in hospitals are specialists, people still die.

Police and prison officers can be specialist trained in riots, it doesn't mean there's no risk.

Do you really understand what you mean by a,specialist team?

I think, if they refuse to calmly attend court and listen to the judges and any Victim Statements, it should be played to them over speaker system in their cells every 1st Sunday of the month for the duration of their prison sentence so they have no choice but to listen.

I completely disagree that she should be forced to attend. And I question why some people think she should be, especially as I’ve read comments on Twitter like ‘she should be dragged there, kicking and screaming’ 🙄🙄

The issue is - at the moment they have the option to not attend. So by removing the option we develop a culture of them attending

Some may use the opportunity to cause a scene - construct the court in such a way as to mitigate this. Sound proof box which the sound of the court can be fed into but where the court does not hear the shouts etc
The dock being away from the victims family so fewer people see the spectacle of a guilty person kicking off. Personally have no problem in the use of handcuffs etc This person has put themselves beyond the social niceties
This will have to be done for some time to address a culture that has swung too far in the favour of the guilty

Whilst extra months or years cannot be added to a whole life term we could look at some of the privileges prisoners have. Haven’t we heard before of prisoners in more relaxed jails and having days out? Might not happen at first but never ceases to amaze me the opportunities they have. Clearly this will have an impact upon the prisoners and does not reflect a society that hopes for redemption- but there should be some sort of tariff of privileges

Once it is no longer a culture of allowing the guilty person to choose not to attend then the behaviour people fear - will be reduced. It should be normal to attend - we give these people too many rights and do not think of the victims and their families

Why is everyone assuming she's going to put up a fight anyway?

I think she should have to listen to the victim impact statements and the sentence but that could be done remotely. I think trying to force someone to be physically present is dangerous and potentially disruptive. People see Letby and think it’s easy but tell me how you would have got Levi Bellfield or Thomas Cashman into the dock without someone being injured?
I’d put a speaker in her cell so she had no option but to hear it.

Would you still want that if you thought she was getting a kick out of hearing about the impact on the victims?
And you can't force people to listen - she could just switch off, sing to herself, think about anything else - very easy to not listen to something if you don't want to.

There will be plenty of manhandling going on in prison. It will be absolutely brutal, physically forced into the docks will be the least of her worries. She won't be forced into the dock, because this is the sanitary side that we see. All bets are off on what goes on inside though. I am guessing she will be tortured within an inch of her life though.