To think Lucy Letby should be made to attend court for the sentencing

[Viviennemary]

I know there are other threads on this terrible case. But I just read she has refused to attend court for the sentencing which is to be on Monday morning. The judge said he does not have the power to force her to attend. Can't see she will ever be allowed out of prison. And rightly so.

Not all the victims actually want her there. The logistics of trying to find a way of having her there for the ones that do, but not for the ones that don't would be impossible (aside from all the other very good points that people have raised).

"We don't want her [Letby] to know the damage that she's left... or get any satisfaction from the hurt she's caused."

His statement goes on to say: "There was a day when I was at the trial and the public gallery was full and I was sat in Lucy Letby’s line of view and she kept looking over at me. That made me feel quite uncomfortable and uneasy and I had to move in the afternoon so I was out of her view".

"We have attended court day in and day out, yet she decides she has had enough, and stays in her cell, just one final act of wickedness from a coward."
The mother goes on to "thank" Letby for "showing the court what she is really like once the ‘nice Lucy’ mask slips".
She concludes: "It was honestly the best thing she could have done to ensure our boys got the justice they deserve."

extremely long and well-constructed post

We’ll agree to disagree on the above 😀

We have different opinions on probably every single thing in life. Time to move on and let others have their say.

I agree. Makes me sick that many here are sympathetic to her wishes. She should have absolutely no rights whatsoever. She lost them when she killed those poor babies. If the majority of the victims families want here there to face sentencing then she should be made to go. Not given any choice in the matter FFS.

@melj1213 rights? I'd happily see all rights removed from pond scum like this.

She wouldn't be suffering or tormented though as evidenced by the trial. She only cried or showed emotion at things relating to herself such as when Dr No Name gave his evidence. There wouldn't be any show of emotion, if anything she'd take pleasure in reliving their pain. As said before it isn't a film.

I'd happily see the killer tart shot but I still wouldn't expect her to be forced to attend court when she is going to be sentenced anyway. Capital punishment would probably be better than life in jail but the life in jail will be the punishment, not being inside a courtroom. I know people fear she won't hear the victim's statements but she likely will, she won't exactly have much else to do, will she? Anyway, let this day be about the victim's and their right to justice, they van deliver sheer statements free of having to look at the scum.

I think she should attend, however she’s, rightly, going to have a very rough time in prison soon the great scheme of things it doesn’t really matter

Before you move on, let's hear more about this specialist team that could easily be established, and the nuts and bolts of how your plan would work.

I think you’ve misunderstood me.

YOUR need to see her gagged and strapped into a wheelchair is not the most important need of all. Unless you have a link to the case your opinion is utterly irrelevant.

And you have absolutely no idea if the parents of her victims want to see her suffer in the way you do.

Incidentally - WHY do you want to see her suffer in such an extreme way? What would it bring to your life? Would it improve your life?

This

It's traumatic for staff.

It's not the victory that some posters seem to think it is because it's never just about the convicted person.

The posters on here who want it to happen have no regard for the staff it will damage.

Usually the same ones that complain about inadequate Policing when they've been burgled and thinking TV or a PlayStation means prison is a 'holiday camp'

@BeverleyMacker shocking from some on here. Wonder if they would feel the same if it was their baby murdered.

And by that analogy, how would you feel if your child was a murderer?

I see the Daily Mail lynch mob is out in force today. Good thing there are some sensible people in here who have pointed out the practicalities of it not happening.

People like @peanutcrumble are one post away from calling for the death penalty, you can just see it.

I think people who claim a certain section of society’s right should be removed are gleeful about the abstract idea of a child killer suffering - but don’t think of the wider ramifications of the kind of society this would make us. Too busy frothing at the mouth at the thought of someone being in pain.

No all of the victims families want her there.

Why is your opinion more important than there's?

So of the posters on here have been directly injured from having to restrain people, or their families have been injured. I wonder if you would feel the same if you were expected to put yourself or your family in harms way like this.

Wonder if you'd feel the same if the staff member who got kicked to death by a prisoner during transport was your child?

Or indeed their child or partner was a prison officer.

What if she goes to court and receives a custodial sentence but 'refuses' to go to prison?
Do theu let her live in court? Let her go? Or drag her kicking and screaming to her cell...

You've been having your say repeatedly. Numerous people with more knowledge and experience than you have responded

Of course you have the right to move on but if you don’t, more experienced and knowledgeable posters will continue to challenge you.

That's the nature of the Internet

One poses a risk to the officers safety which could be considered acceptable because the risk of not taking her to prison is higher

The other poses a risk to the officers safety which is unacceptable because there is no risk to not taking her

You could read one of the many posts on this thread that explain quite clearly why there is a difference between dragging her to a cell and leaving her there (because it is absolutely necessary to do this), vs dragging her in to a courtroom and keeping her still and quiet for a considerable length of time (because some people want to watch her face when she is sentenced).

I also think that some people have watched too many revenge movies.

People who have been wronged, even to the point of their child being killed, don’t always want bloody, torturous revenge. They quite often only want peace, closure and the assurance it won’t happen to anyone else.

One of the most moving MN thread I ever read was from a poster whose child had been abused and she was sick of being asked if she wanted to hurt the abuser. She didn’t want to and she was made to feel like shit because of it.

I guarantee you haven't read the posts on this thread.

She NEEDS to be in prison. It’s her home. She doesn’t NEED to be present at her sentencing

I agree. Makes me sick that many here are sympathetic to her wishes. She should have absolutely no rights whatsoever. She lost them when she killed those poor babies. If the majority of the victims families want here there to face sentencing then she should be made to go. Not given any choice in the matter FFS

You mistake not agreeing with your views with sympathy for Lucy Letby. And if you're so fired up about this, why don't you campaign to have the law changed?