Modest fashion

[Darthwazette]

AIBU to dislike the term “modest fashion” when referring to Islamic dressing?

A spa local to me is doing a social media thing about welcoming all, including people who chose modest fashion, featuring two Muslim women, in fully covering swimsuits including head covering.

It feels like, by contrast, I’m being called immodest for dressings in a swim suit?

I know it's obvious. @MotherofGorgons is trying to deny it.

@Pollyputhekettleon Bikinis are clothing. I don't consider them immodest. But I also don't wear.them. My DD does though.

Seems a lot of to do over a word. I am not sure that "covered up fashion" will take off. But you seem very angry, so I will leave you to find a better word.

Everyone is jumping to normal swimsuits being not modest because some are modest. There are levels, more than 2...
To illustrate my point. Here are 3 which I think fit into each category - not so modest, normal, modest (i think the bottom on the forst one is sheer too so yeah)

Yeah, sure, no one's judging anyone.

Ah. But is immodest a value judgement? And even if it is, why does it matter? People have different perceptions and values.

Yikes @Tartareistasty where did you find that blue one? 😀I would rather wear the modesty one than that.

Is modest a value judgement? Yes. Yes it is.

Or are you suggesting that throughout history women have been equally praised for being immodest?

This. I asked a colleague who is orthodox Jewish for guidance on finding modest swimwear as I realised it makes me feel much more confident. It's not a Muslim thing others also dress modestly, that's the term and my local pool has pictures up of what is and isn't accepted without reference to anything else. It sounds like your spa has it right tbh

I can google weird stuff somehow. It's a superpower😂

It's clothing that exposes more than some women are comfortable doing, whether due to religious beliefs or personal preference.

You do you, I'll just keep my floppy tits that are a pathetically small cup size compared to my back, extensive stretchmarks, section overhang and varicosities covered up and supported whilst also having the advantage of protecting against sunburn, thank you very much.

I agree with this.

'Modest' is quite a loaded term and should be used very cautiously wrt women's clothing.

I was pondering an alternative to 'modest' that doesn't cast aspersions on the choices of women whose clothing is more revealing, and 'full coverage' fits the bill.

Let me get this straight. You wear modest clothing and you consider bikinis to be modest clothing. Ok. Let's say I take that at face value. Do you accept that just about no one who wears modest clothing considers a bikini to constitute modest clothing? You're an extreme outlier. So you can definitely stop speaking for the rest of them now.

People do get angry about being told that they/the clothes they wear/the clothes their daughters wear are immodest and for good reason. That's a perfectly reasonable and normal response. The only reason people are getting annoyed with the OP for expressing it here is that she made the fatal error of using the words Islamic and Muslim. And yes, I'm angry about that too, and again rightfully so.

Yes, I hate the term. I think it's always telling whether something is progressive by looking at the opposite term, which is often where it's very clearly negative to the point of being derogatory, e.g. modest/immodest, sex positive/sex negative.

A neutral term could have been chosen, something like covered, draped, full coverage. There are plenty of other words, and also not just religious women who might want to be more covered when swimming or to have long sleeves, so a neutral term would be more inclusive.

I'm a Modern Orthodox Jew and dress "modestly." I find tight, revealing clothes to be immodest, but that shouldn't offend anyone. It's just how I feel. I prefer to be covered.

There's modest clothing on Asos now, I think? Do people think full coverage clothing will take off? Because its not exactly full coverage.

Modest in relation to clothing means not revealing or emphasising a persons body. That's got nothing to do with morality it's just a clear decription of a type of clothing.

Full coverage is not the same, a lycra bodysuit could be full coverage but may still reveal or emphasise a persons body so may not feel like modest clothing. Whereas a calf length loose skirt and a loose 3/4 length sleeve top may feel like mmodest clothing but is not full coverage.

Modest is just the current useful term for a style of dress its not a judgement call against all those of us who don't wear it.
Like when there used to be sections in shops called 'going out tops' it didn't mean h&m were declaring all other tops unsuitable for leaving the house in. Or that the 'curve' section for plus size clothing is declaring all people shopping in the other sections are devoid of curves and are all flat and rectangular.

And 'modest' carries implications of religious observance and also avoidance of sexualisation, both quite problematic.

Let's not pretend we live in a world where victims of sexual assault and harassment are never blamed for the crimes perpetrated against them. The modest/ immodest binary is an issue.

This. OP you come across as someone who is just looking for something to be offended by.

A previous poster described how annoyed she used to be in the 1960's and 70's when girls were told to cover up and be modest instead of wearing miniskirts etc. Should they have just shrugged their shoulders and said 'people have different perceptions and values' so it didn't matter? Or was it ok for them to object? The fact people have different perceptions and values matters, a lot. Lucy Letby valued a lot of things over the lives of babies. That mattered.

I am rather gobsmacked that people think an Indian woman in a sari, say, is judging the rest of you for being immodest. If I get your gist. Maybe she is just wearing what she wants to wear.

What you wear and how you think of it should not offend anyone, of course.

However, if you were, for example, to say to a friend who offered to lend you a swimsuit, “No thanks- I’d feel uncomfortable in that because it’s not modest enough for me - though obviously fine for you”, I think your friend might justifiably feel offended, yes.

WTF does Lucy Letby have to do with modest swimsuits?

Read what I wrote. My meaning was perfectly clear. You really are very dishonest aren't you?

That's just really weird insertion into a swimsuit thread

You are right. Pol Pot's values were also rather dodgy. This is why values matter.