Modest fashion

[Darthwazette]

AIBU to dislike the term “modest fashion” when referring to Islamic dressing?

A spa local to me is doing a social media thing about welcoming all, including people who chose modest fashion, featuring two Muslim women, in fully covering swimsuits including head covering.

It feels like, by contrast, I’m being called immodest for dressings in a swim suit?

It’s called modest dressing to cover modesty principles in Islam, Judaism, Orthodox Christianity and Hinduism.

@Girasoli what's it like in France and Italy?

Not sure why the OP is getting such a hard time here. Can't get worked up about it personally but her argument is a valid one.

The dictionary definition of modest is variously: small, intended to avoid sexual interest, avoiding drawing attention to one's own interests https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/modest. Since modest is 'small' it's actually factually inaccurate. Nor is it unreasonable to wonder if it's therefore implied that non-modest clothing is the opposite. Modest is a value-laden word.

What's wrong with "all bodies and modes of dress welcome" with some images?

It's a specific term for a way of dressing. It's only relevant for people who have that belief/preference and a useful shorthand.

Of course it's not saying all other clothing/people are immodest. You're inventing something to be offended about.

Modest includes clothes such as dresses with an open but not deep collar, elbow length and over the knee as well as longsleeved, polo necked maxis. Full coverage would only refer to the latter, so it would be inaccurate.

Modest is a perfectly simple term where you know it's not going to have massive cutouts, a neckline down to your diaphragm, the complete absence of a back, a 'knee length' where the knees are apparently 4 inches from your arse cheeks, be transparent and might actually have some room around the waist.

Full coverage would also include a long sleeved compression shirt and leggings, which is hardly the intent behind the term.

In any case, whatever the term used for 'no tits, arse, inner thighs, bingo wings or back exposed clothes', some fucker's going to take offence that there's a term to describe it.

To me it feels like a subtle way of saying their preference is more modest swimwear

Islamic dressing

I can recommend combo of olive oil, sumac, lemon juice, pomegranate mollases, salt an cracked pepper

Not all modest clothing is "full coverage". That sounda like insurance talk rather than clothes style anyway

This is one of those threads that ought to go
OP. AIBU to think X?
ANother poster Yes you are, because Y.
OP Oh, I didn't know about Y. Thank you!
ANother poster You're welcome.

Being of a certain age,i.e older, I can remember young women being berated for wearing clothing that was deemed to be immodest, young women being told that short skirts, 'too much' decolletage, etc made them little better than prostitutes. It might have been the swinging sixties and then the even more permissive seventies but many people still thought women should dress modestly. And that is exactly why I dislike the term, having been told that I should cover up and be more 'modest' I find the term objectionable.

Does the ‘petite’ section offend you, by implying you are Large? 😂

Agree with PP - not everything is about you.

So this is what people mean when they say that everybody wants to be offended about everything these days…

Get over yourself.
It’s not about you!

The women who wear modest clothing consider your clothing/you to be immodest. Those who make their little girls were cycling shorts under their school skirts consider your daughters who don't do that to be immodest. You are being judged, but not by the spa. They're just trying to make money.

It feels like, by contrast, I’m being called immodest for dressings in a swim suit?

Or maybe this particular thing isn't about you!

No, we don't. And I am not Muslim.

Oh for god's sake. Ok, how about 'most women who wear modest clothing...'. Obviously they do. Are you seriously trying to tell me that you consider bikinis to be modest clothing? The entire point of modest clothing is that some clothing is defined as immodest.

Don't give me the 'we don't'. You don't speak for all of them. And I don't know what the fact you're not Muslim has to do with anything.

You were allowed to find the term objectionable then because those berating you were white British people.

The OP says Islamic clothing. It's not. Hence my clarification.
You don't really speak for most women who wear modest clothing either. They are really not judging you. It's about them. Not about you.

The overwhelming majority of women wearing modest clothing in the UK are Muslims so it was a perfectly reasonable shorthand. We all know why people are pouncing on her for it.

You didn't answer the question I asked you. Are bikinis modest clothing or are they immodest clothing?

Well, I judge the people who put "modesty shorts" on little girls because I hate girls/women being expected to modify their actions because of the behaviour of men and boys. And because I hate prissiness. And I assume those that do/did judge me for not. Doesn't bother me. And I hate the idea of women of any religion having to wear modest clothes. But I would hate even more the idea that they couldn't come swimming because they felt the spa wouldn't let them wear what they consider appropriate.

@Pollyputhekettleon " Are bikinis modest clothing or are they immodest clothing"

To women who for religious or cultural reasons wear modest clothing, then a bikini is not modest. Fairly obviously.

Sounds immodestly good!

Totally agree. People love to disagree with an OP, but actually she makes a valid point.

Of course modest is a value judgment with particular connotations. Therefore, by extension, the lack of ‘modesty’ has other implications.

There is no such thing as over-thinking as far as I’m concerned. Plenty of people under-think though!

Someone with those religious beliefs would consider a bikini to be immodest dress for herself. It doesn't mean she or anyone considers it immodest for people who don't follow that dress code.

Well, I’m not sure that makes much sense. It may not occur to her to judge whether or not someone’s bikini is ‘immodest’ but someone, somewhere has made that judgement and it isn’t doing either group of women much good.