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GalGadont · 16/08/2023 21:14

Never had one before as it seemed like a lot of trouble and wasn’t something I particularly felt the need for, I usually just shave and trim. Previous bfs have seemed to be fine with that (and of course I believe it’s up to me what I want to do anyway).

For some reason, no idea why, I’ve been recently feeling it’s something I might like to do. Not currently in a relationship so it’s not because of that, I just fancy being hair-free. Am I insane? Will it be expensive and incredibly painful? What are people’s experiences?

OP posts:
itsmyp4rty · 19/08/2023 12:38

Society/television/friends/parents/siblings/boyfriends all teach you what you think. At 10 no one 'prefers to be smooth' unless they have been given that message by someone (could be from your mum shaving and always having smooth legs, from someone commenting on it, from tv, from friends saying they shave their legs etc).

I love armpit hair but hate chest hair on men because I grew up in the 80's/early 90's when hairy chests were considered dated and '70's' but other hair was considered masculine and acceptable - shaved armpits/legs on men would have been considered 'gay' at a time when it was widely used by kids as a slur. At that time none of the girls in my year group removed their pubes - and I know this as we were made to have communal showers in PE through secondary school.

Now no one seems to want to have any hair at all and the idea that this is 'all their own idea' is just very naive IMO.

This from the guardian on the subject:

“Across history we find examples of [hair removal] in most different cultures, but whether it was widespread is more difficult to answer,” he said. “The evidence base suggests historically it was relatively infrequent and associated with religious values and status rather than beautification, but a big shift occurred in colonisation, when Europe brought along the idea that to be hairy was barbaric, and hairlessness was a sign of development and improvement.”

He added that body hair removal went mainstream in the late 19th century in the UK. “In the early 20th century, as clothing became more liberal and showed legs more often, we saw the marketing of razors telling women if they were hairy they would not be perceived as feminine. Adverts warned women they wouldn’t find a husband.”

“Cultural pressure” to look feminine reached its apex in the 1950s, when youthfulness became co-opted as a feminine trait, he said. “There’s a deep sense of misogyny here – telling women to become hairless is not youthful, it’s prepubescent.”

Although leg and underarm hair removal was popular throughout the 20th century, in Lesnik-Oberstein’s book on body hair, The Last Taboo, she points to the character Samantha Jones talking about Brazilian waxes on Sex and the City as the moment that pubic hair removal went mainstream.

The current fad for extreme hair removal reflected a growing societal interest in cosmetic surgery, “tweakments” and body modification, combined with the “pornification of wider culture”, she said. As with other long-lasting or permanent body changes, young women “may find they regret this”, she added.
She said it was almost impossible to discern where body hair removal trends were heading: “Body hair is so intimately bound up with ideas of sexuality, and sexuality is not subject to reason.”

Now, Shiyan Zering, a beauty analyst at Mintel, said that pubic hair removal was “on the rise”, with nearly half of adults opting to trim, and it features in more advertising campaigns.

“Pubic hair removal is becoming less taboo and is increasingly being viewed as an act of self-care. The gap in hair removal trends between men and women is closing, especially in the younger demographic,” she said, noting that 49% of 16- to 24-year-old men remove underarm hair and 62% pubic hair.

Catherine Simpson, who wrote a book, One Body, exploring her relationship with her body after receiving a cancer diagnosis, said that despite learning not to worry about her shape or grey hairs, she could not let go of her “lifelong battle” with body hair, even though she found its removal painful and expensive.
“I’m a confident woman but I haven’t got the confidence to walk around with hairy legs. Even I don’t understand that, because I’ve thought so much about this subject, how ludicrous these standards are. I can’t outgrow this conditioning – it is so strong. Hairy legs are seen as very the antithesis of femininity.”

Libraryloiterer · 19/08/2023 14:11

Aren't Muslim men and women expected to trim their nails and remove pubic hair every 40 days? Hair removal, as others have said, goes back thousands of years. The picture is certainly more complicated now because of porn, but let's not pretend porn culture is the main/ only driver. No grown adult with a functioning body can really think that right?

JobChangeSoonPlease · 19/08/2023 15:29

@Dolores87 - I've struggled with horrible ingrown hair when I trimmed/shaved. So I tried waxing just to see if it gets better/worse. To my utter surprise, I've had NO ingrown hair since. Also I exfoliate regularly on my waxing lady's instructions - which helps I guess. I would def recommend waxing for those with ingrown hair challenges.

40andlovelife · 19/08/2023 19:08

itsmyp4rty · 19/08/2023 12:38

Society/television/friends/parents/siblings/boyfriends all teach you what you think. At 10 no one 'prefers to be smooth' unless they have been given that message by someone (could be from your mum shaving and always having smooth legs, from someone commenting on it, from tv, from friends saying they shave their legs etc).

I love armpit hair but hate chest hair on men because I grew up in the 80's/early 90's when hairy chests were considered dated and '70's' but other hair was considered masculine and acceptable - shaved armpits/legs on men would have been considered 'gay' at a time when it was widely used by kids as a slur. At that time none of the girls in my year group removed their pubes - and I know this as we were made to have communal showers in PE through secondary school.

Now no one seems to want to have any hair at all and the idea that this is 'all their own idea' is just very naive IMO.

This from the guardian on the subject:

“Across history we find examples of [hair removal] in most different cultures, but whether it was widespread is more difficult to answer,” he said. “The evidence base suggests historically it was relatively infrequent and associated with religious values and status rather than beautification, but a big shift occurred in colonisation, when Europe brought along the idea that to be hairy was barbaric, and hairlessness was a sign of development and improvement.”

He added that body hair removal went mainstream in the late 19th century in the UK. “In the early 20th century, as clothing became more liberal and showed legs more often, we saw the marketing of razors telling women if they were hairy they would not be perceived as feminine. Adverts warned women they wouldn’t find a husband.”

“Cultural pressure” to look feminine reached its apex in the 1950s, when youthfulness became co-opted as a feminine trait, he said. “There’s a deep sense of misogyny here – telling women to become hairless is not youthful, it’s prepubescent.”

Although leg and underarm hair removal was popular throughout the 20th century, in Lesnik-Oberstein’s book on body hair, The Last Taboo, she points to the character Samantha Jones talking about Brazilian waxes on Sex and the City as the moment that pubic hair removal went mainstream.

The current fad for extreme hair removal reflected a growing societal interest in cosmetic surgery, “tweakments” and body modification, combined with the “pornification of wider culture”, she said. As with other long-lasting or permanent body changes, young women “may find they regret this”, she added.
She said it was almost impossible to discern where body hair removal trends were heading: “Body hair is so intimately bound up with ideas of sexuality, and sexuality is not subject to reason.”

Now, Shiyan Zering, a beauty analyst at Mintel, said that pubic hair removal was “on the rise”, with nearly half of adults opting to trim, and it features in more advertising campaigns.

“Pubic hair removal is becoming less taboo and is increasingly being viewed as an act of self-care. The gap in hair removal trends between men and women is closing, especially in the younger demographic,” she said, noting that 49% of 16- to 24-year-old men remove underarm hair and 62% pubic hair.

Catherine Simpson, who wrote a book, One Body, exploring her relationship with her body after receiving a cancer diagnosis, said that despite learning not to worry about her shape or grey hairs, she could not let go of her “lifelong battle” with body hair, even though she found its removal painful and expensive.
“I’m a confident woman but I haven’t got the confidence to walk around with hairy legs. Even I don’t understand that, because I’ve thought so much about this subject, how ludicrous these standards are. I can’t outgrow this conditioning – it is so strong. Hairy legs are seen as very the antithesis of femininity.”

Some bold statements here! And if the guardian published it, it must be true

40andlovelife · 19/08/2023 19:10

itsmyp4rty · 19/08/2023 12:38

Society/television/friends/parents/siblings/boyfriends all teach you what you think. At 10 no one 'prefers to be smooth' unless they have been given that message by someone (could be from your mum shaving and always having smooth legs, from someone commenting on it, from tv, from friends saying they shave their legs etc).

I love armpit hair but hate chest hair on men because I grew up in the 80's/early 90's when hairy chests were considered dated and '70's' but other hair was considered masculine and acceptable - shaved armpits/legs on men would have been considered 'gay' at a time when it was widely used by kids as a slur. At that time none of the girls in my year group removed their pubes - and I know this as we were made to have communal showers in PE through secondary school.

Now no one seems to want to have any hair at all and the idea that this is 'all their own idea' is just very naive IMO.

This from the guardian on the subject:

“Across history we find examples of [hair removal] in most different cultures, but whether it was widespread is more difficult to answer,” he said. “The evidence base suggests historically it was relatively infrequent and associated with religious values and status rather than beautification, but a big shift occurred in colonisation, when Europe brought along the idea that to be hairy was barbaric, and hairlessness was a sign of development and improvement.”

He added that body hair removal went mainstream in the late 19th century in the UK. “In the early 20th century, as clothing became more liberal and showed legs more often, we saw the marketing of razors telling women if they were hairy they would not be perceived as feminine. Adverts warned women they wouldn’t find a husband.”

“Cultural pressure” to look feminine reached its apex in the 1950s, when youthfulness became co-opted as a feminine trait, he said. “There’s a deep sense of misogyny here – telling women to become hairless is not youthful, it’s prepubescent.”

Although leg and underarm hair removal was popular throughout the 20th century, in Lesnik-Oberstein’s book on body hair, The Last Taboo, she points to the character Samantha Jones talking about Brazilian waxes on Sex and the City as the moment that pubic hair removal went mainstream.

The current fad for extreme hair removal reflected a growing societal interest in cosmetic surgery, “tweakments” and body modification, combined with the “pornification of wider culture”, she said. As with other long-lasting or permanent body changes, young women “may find they regret this”, she added.
She said it was almost impossible to discern where body hair removal trends were heading: “Body hair is so intimately bound up with ideas of sexuality, and sexuality is not subject to reason.”

Now, Shiyan Zering, a beauty analyst at Mintel, said that pubic hair removal was “on the rise”, with nearly half of adults opting to trim, and it features in more advertising campaigns.

“Pubic hair removal is becoming less taboo and is increasingly being viewed as an act of self-care. The gap in hair removal trends between men and women is closing, especially in the younger demographic,” she said, noting that 49% of 16- to 24-year-old men remove underarm hair and 62% pubic hair.

Catherine Simpson, who wrote a book, One Body, exploring her relationship with her body after receiving a cancer diagnosis, said that despite learning not to worry about her shape or grey hairs, she could not let go of her “lifelong battle” with body hair, even though she found its removal painful and expensive.
“I’m a confident woman but I haven’t got the confidence to walk around with hairy legs. Even I don’t understand that, because I’ve thought so much about this subject, how ludicrous these standards are. I can’t outgrow this conditioning – it is so strong. Hairy legs are seen as very the antithesis of femininity.”

Maybe they do prefer to be smooth because they like it and fit comfort? Not because society has stipulated it. This reads like a sociology GCSE text book

JudgeAnderson · 19/08/2023 19:14

More feminine sans hair, really? Public hair grows in as we mature and reach sexual maturity and we often lose it again as our fertility ends. I'd say it is very much a feminine signifier.

40andlovelife · 19/08/2023 19:26

JudgeAnderson · 19/08/2023 19:14

More feminine sans hair, really? Public hair grows in as we mature and reach sexual maturity and we often lose it again as our fertility ends. I'd say it is very much a feminine signifier.

Again , a matter of opinion and preference. I see hairy as masculine and hairless as very feminine. Men on the other hand will go with whatever is on offer hairy or hairless. Hopefully as women we are making our own choices

JudgeAnderson · 19/08/2023 19:34

That's fine, as long as you acknowledge that it's your individual preference.

I will say though that a vulva is literally the most female part of our anatomy and I'm hard-pressed to imagine how it could look remotely masculine regardless of how much hair it has on it.

SmileyClare · 19/08/2023 22:05

At a very basic biological level where males of the species are attracted to a female for the purpose of procreation- excess hair on women is/ can be a signal of higher than normal levels of testerone (male hormone) so not an ideal mate.

JudgeAnderson · 19/08/2023 22:20

At a very basic biological level where males of the species are attracted to a female for the purpose of procreation- excess hair on women is/ can be a signal of higher than normal levels of testerone (male hormone) so not an ideal mate.

Having pudendal hair is not "excess" hair though, it's a normal sign of sexual maturity.

SmileyClare · 19/08/2023 22:32

JudgeAnderson · 19/08/2023 22:20

At a very basic biological level where males of the species are attracted to a female for the purpose of procreation- excess hair on women is/ can be a signal of higher than normal levels of testerone (male hormone) so not an ideal mate.

Having pudendal hair is not "excess" hair though, it's a normal sign of sexual maturity.

Yes absolutely.
I prefer to shave/ trim my own pubes and keep them neat. Going to a salon to pay someone else to fiddle about with my vulva isn’t appealing to me at all.

I don’t like the “excess” hair which grows beyond my bikini line . However I’m well aware Im a victim of social conditioning as we all are.

JudgeAnderson · 19/08/2023 22:58

I don’t like the “excess” hair which grows beyond my bikini line . However I’m well aware Im a victim of social conditioning as we all are

Tbf I also remove those bits for swimwear etc (not so much in winter) so I'm not immune to social pressure either.

I honestly don't mind what people do or don't want to do with their own bits. I just tend to pipe up when there's a suggestion that having pubes is objectively dirty or ugly.
I do think body hair is becoming a bit less contentious again - I remember about a decade ago actually retaining them was becoming shocking, but I've seen a lot more body hair/hairy pits on women on social media and even some advertising recently.

RavingStyle · 19/08/2023 23:33

SmileyClare · 19/08/2023 22:05

At a very basic biological level where males of the species are attracted to a female for the purpose of procreation- excess hair on women is/ can be a signal of higher than normal levels of testerone (male hormone) so not an ideal mate.

Rarely. Like men, some women are just hairier than others. Darker women tend to be slightly hairier than blondes; some races are more/less hairy than others.
Do you really mean to imply that hairier women are less fertile?

When you see a man with a bare chest you don't assume he has lower testosterone levels than his hairier chested friend.

And as has been pointed out, pubic and axillary hair in women is normal, not "excess".

SmileyClare · 19/08/2023 23:44

No I’m not implying that hairier women are less fertile.

I was just pointing out the basic animal instinct of a man when choosing a mate can be affected by the presence of excess body hair on a woman. The same doesn’t apply broadly speaking with a male hairy chest- a sign of testosterone.

That was in response to a poster asking How can pubic hair on a woman look “masculine”
It can (arguably) if caused by high testosterone levels.

If course we’re a civilised society - were not simply animals so it’s far more complex.

I am more attracted to a hairy man though I must admit.

SuperSue77 · 19/08/2023 23:50

I love it but only usually have it done before my holiday as they charge £40-£45 and I don’t feel I can justify it too often - I’d have it done all the time if it wasn’t for the cost. I bought my own kit and have done it on myself a few times but it’s never as good and is a lot of effort!
I feel so much cleaner and tidier afterwards, not that I’m dirty, I just prefer less hair down there (especially around the bum crack!) and I choose the Brazilian just because the little bit of hair that’s left makes me feel more womanly (than if there were none) - go for it!

JudgeAnderson · 19/08/2023 23:51

That was in response to a poster asking How can pubic hair on a woman look “masculine”
It can (arguably) if caused by high testosterone levels

I think a lot of it is social trends too though. I had a Greek friend years ago pre the pube removal trend and he complained that British women's pubes were too sparse. He admiringly described Greek women's "thick fur" which sort of stuck with me!

No-one was going "eeew yuck" about pubic hair till the first generation brought up with its removal being a standard part of a grooming regime came of age. It certainly never put anyone off in the 90s.

Bananananananananana · 20/08/2023 08:10

I was just pointing out the basic animal instinct of a man when choosing a mate can be affected by the presence of excess body hair on a woman.

Armpit hair and pubic hair are not excess hair!

Both men and women have prominent hair in these areas! It is a signifier of adulthood

The idea that pubic hair is excess is as stupid as saying ' people without this hair could be mistaken for being sexually undeveloped/not mature ', yet nobody thinks grown women who wax are children

Toenailz · 20/08/2023 15:00

I did warn you, OP.

You'll get shamed by nothing other than other women, for choosing to remove your pubic hair.

Incidentally, my OH prefers pubic hair, and I choose to have none. I actually think as another poster upthread suggested, from my experience, there's more pressure on women to keep their pubic hair than to remove it, these days.

Some of it is from men who prefer some hair, most of it is from women, whom for some reason are threatened by another woman's pubic hair (or lack thereof).. the attempted control of womens bodies is never ending, and other women are the worst perpetrator.

I've been shamed by precisely one man, for choosing to remove my pubic hair.

I've been shamed by countless women, online, in person, you name it. Even had a mobile beauty therapist, when I booked in for a hollywood and she was apparently fine with it (seeing as it was on her price list) arrive, and tell me all about her beliefs how having everything removed looks like a little girl, and she didn't think it was right, so was going for the brazilian.

I was mortified, felt pressured, and yes, I paid for that experience as it was my first ever pubic wax and I was young (was a shaver before that).

It's disgusting to be honest. Stop worrying about other women's pubic hair. It's literally none of your business.

StarlightLady · 20/08/2023 15:08

@Toenailz - Exactly! And l don’t think anyone could say l looked like a little girl naked, with 36F upstairs! I must tell clean shaven men that they look like little boys!!!!

Toenailz · 20/08/2023 15:32

StarlightLady · 20/08/2023 15:08

@Toenailz - Exactly! And l don’t think anyone could say l looked like a little girl naked, with 36F upstairs! I must tell clean shaven men that they look like little boys!!!!

It's honestly disgusting that adults could look at an adult vagina of any kind, and start thinking about pre-pubescent children. It worries me, frankly.

40andlovelife · 20/08/2023 15:39

Toenailz · 20/08/2023 15:00

I did warn you, OP.

You'll get shamed by nothing other than other women, for choosing to remove your pubic hair.

Incidentally, my OH prefers pubic hair, and I choose to have none. I actually think as another poster upthread suggested, from my experience, there's more pressure on women to keep their pubic hair than to remove it, these days.

Some of it is from men who prefer some hair, most of it is from women, whom for some reason are threatened by another woman's pubic hair (or lack thereof).. the attempted control of womens bodies is never ending, and other women are the worst perpetrator.

I've been shamed by precisely one man, for choosing to remove my pubic hair.

I've been shamed by countless women, online, in person, you name it. Even had a mobile beauty therapist, when I booked in for a hollywood and she was apparently fine with it (seeing as it was on her price list) arrive, and tell me all about her beliefs how having everything removed looks like a little girl, and she didn't think it was right, so was going for the brazilian.

I was mortified, felt pressured, and yes, I paid for that experience as it was my first ever pubic wax and I was young (was a shaver before that).

It's disgusting to be honest. Stop worrying about other women's pubic hair. It's literally none of your business.

I agree 100%. Women are the worst perpetrators for controlling women's bodies usually dressed up as ' you are being controlled by men'. It's weird. I have, like you, been shamed by only 1 man ever regarding pubic hair but the pressure from other women to keep it is palpable. I've found it with the subject of boobs too. I have implants, not massive ones just right for my body. The negative comments always come from other females.

Bananananananananana · 20/08/2023 16:10

I agree 100%. Women are the worst perpetrators for controlling women's bodies usually dressed up as ' you are being controlled by men'.

Never heard of a woman being bullied or laughed at for being waxed.

Have heard of women and girls being laughed at for having body hair.

You're not oppressed because you follow the societal norm of beauty. You're not controlled when it's pointed out that men's tastes play a large role in what the societal norm is.

40andlovelife · 20/08/2023 16:14

Bananananananananana · 20/08/2023 16:10

I agree 100%. Women are the worst perpetrators for controlling women's bodies usually dressed up as ' you are being controlled by men'.

Never heard of a woman being bullied or laughed at for being waxed.

Have heard of women and girls being laughed at for having body hair.

You're not oppressed because you follow the societal norm of beauty. You're not controlled when it's pointed out that men's tastes play a large role in what the societal norm is.

A total hyperbolic representation of what I wrote

beastlyslumber · 20/08/2023 16:43

I've had a number of men tell me they prefer a "smooth working surface" but for me it's just too painful. I have a basic bikini wax now. I'd go full bare again if it wasn't for the pain - but only as an occasional novelty. I wish for a thick full bush like I used to have - no matter how I grow it out it's sparse and thin :(

JudgeAnderson · 20/08/2023 18:02

@Toenailz women with pubic hair have literally been told it's not feminine, if we want to talk about shaming.

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