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Get your child period ready

133 replies

Autumnsoon · 15/08/2023 11:36

That is the advert flashing up on Mumsnet ,next to threads I’m looking at
since when did they start using child ,rather than daughter
ffs .
how many boys need to be got ready for their period age 10 ,
,so just say daughter ,girl ,woman …
are they trying to be subtle so we don’t notice the change in language
fucks me of no end

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JohnnyYenSetHimselfOnFireAgain · 15/08/2023 14:30

BodegaSushi · 15/08/2023 13:36

@Sueveneers so please answer, how should they have phrased it to include girls that aren't daughters of the people in their care?

"Time to get your girl period-ready." Sorted.

StillHereStillBreathing · 15/08/2023 14:31

Autumnsoon · 15/08/2023 11:36

That is the advert flashing up on Mumsnet ,next to threads I’m looking at
since when did they start using child ,rather than daughter
ffs .
how many boys need to be got ready for their period age 10 ,
,so just say daughter ,girl ,woman …
are they trying to be subtle so we don’t notice the change in language
fucks me of no end

I know, it's crazy. They start their periods pretty young these days, I can't believe many 9 to 12 year olds are transitioning or whatever they call it these days.

StillHereStillBreathing · 15/08/2023 14:35

Weatherwax134 · 15/08/2023 13:32

There are a so many nuances in biological sex; if we're going by chromosome combination then there are at least 6 karyotype variations: XX, XY, X, XXY, XYY and XXXY. Leaving aside all the questions about socialised gender etc. lots of doctors and geneticists are happy to agree that the simple male/female is likely overly simplistic.

Fair enough, but we talking about a tiny minority of children here. Same with trans children. It's like 1% of children. Though if of course they are just being genuinely inclusive , no sinister intent, nothing wrong with that.

StillHereStillBreathing · 15/08/2023 14:41

Weatherwax134 · 15/08/2023 13:43

I think it's mad that, in a world containing poverty, global warming, serious illness and mental ill-health...this is the hill people want to die on.

True. I think trans people should have the same rights as everyone else. I am a bit confused as to why there is such a push for trans awareness. There have always trans people around; crossdressing which we used to call trans, has a long history. Everyone got on with the lives, all was fine. Children were allowed to just be children, if they expressed their wish to be in a different body parents waited and usually the gender dysphoria would pass. There was less fretting over what pronouns should be used and if someone was misgendered by accident they weren't damaged by it but moved on. And women were allowed their own spaces.

Sueveneers · 15/08/2023 14:43

otherwayup · 15/08/2023 14:18

@Sueveneers

Are you honestly comparing a parent who doesn't like the term 'a child entering puberty' to a child who has suffered the loss of a parent?

Really showing yourself up now aren't you!

No, I am not saying that at all, but a few have attempted to change the narrative to suggest I am saying that. I am saying that while some children are raised by grandparents, aunts or legal guardians, the majority of children are raised by their mother. I think we can agree on that? And that language should cater to the majority. Otherwise you open yourself up to a situation where you must cover every conceivable base, every infinate possibility. And that would mean a lengthy ad to cover all bases. I am simply saying that simple language aimed at the majority should suffice. That's all I'm saying. Nothing more than that really.

Sueveneers · 15/08/2023 14:45

JohnnyYenSetHimselfOnFireAgain · 15/08/2023 14:30

"Time to get your girl period-ready." Sorted.

This. This is all that is needed. Why make something that isn't complicated, complicated.

Personally though I would have no problems if they said girls +individuals entering puberty. I wouldn't have a problem with that. I just want the word girls used. Only problem is, it then becomes a lengthy ad because you then can't leave anyone out.

CurlewKate · 15/08/2023 14:48

I don't know what to think here. I certainly made sure my boy was "period ready" too because he had sisters and girl classmates and friends.

StillHereStillBreathing · 15/08/2023 14:51

Sueveneers · 15/08/2023 14:45

This. This is all that is needed. Why make something that isn't complicated, complicated.

Personally though I would have no problems if they said girls +individuals entering puberty. I wouldn't have a problem with that. I just want the word girls used. Only problem is, it then becomes a lengthy ad because you then can't leave anyone out.

That would be better. That way everyone is included but not erased.

Inclusion of non binary is fine, as long as it's not at the expense of any other group.

BodegaSushi · 15/08/2023 14:59

Posting again for everyone complaining about language, girls, women, daughters, mothers and females are used all over the Always site.

Get your child period ready
Get your child period ready
Get your child period ready
BodegaSushi · 15/08/2023 14:59

And again

Get your child period ready
Get your child period ready
Sueveneers · 15/08/2023 15:00

@BodegaSushi Again, we're talking about the paragraph here, which is more recent than that.

StillHereStillBreathing · 15/08/2023 15:01

BodegaSushi · 15/08/2023 14:59

And again

First time I actually saw the advert with my own eyes. It does seem like just an inclusive thing then which is fine.

RoseslnTheHospital · 15/08/2023 15:06

This is the text from the advert's click through link:

"Let’s talk first periods

On the journey of growing up, the road is paved with a myriad of emotions, and for many young people, the first period can be an overwhelming experience. Studies reveal that one in three individuals entering puberty feels unprepared for this significant milestone in their lives. Feelings of fear, embarrassment, and confusion often dominate thoughts as they face this natural process. It is essential to address these concerns and provide a supportive environment that encourages open conversations about periods, bodies, and the invaluable knowledge required to navigate this new chapter.

We are proud to present a three-part educational series - Zara and Sam will cover topics such as what changes might start to happen before your first period, what period protection is out there, and different types of flow.

First period signs

A common question is when can I expect my first period to start? Zara and Sam discuss signs and signals that indicate the onset of menstruation, providing reassurance and guidance during this transition. By familiarising yourself with these signs, you can embrace the journey while feeling prepared and confident.

Different types of flow

The second video delves into the different aspects of menstrual flow, looking into how flow can change from person to person but also day to day during your period. Zara and Sam will shed light on light flows, medium flows, and other flow patterns, helping you better understand the changes your body can undergo. Empowered with this knowledge you can navigate your periods more confidently, knowing what to anticipate and how to manage your own experiences.

How to use a period pad

This video focuses on one of the most commonly used menstrual products (especially for first periods!) – the period pad. Zara and Sam will guide you through using and disposing of pads while addressing any concerns or misconceptions surrounding this essential period product. Gaining a thorough understanding of pad usage can help you make informed choices that align with your body and flow to ensure comfort – because everyone’s period is different.

Understanding your body is a fundamental step towards feeling empowered and confident when it comes to periods. By dispelling the taboos surrounding menstruation and embracing education, we can create a supportive environment where everyone feels comfortable discussing their experiences, concerns, and questions."

Not a use of "girl", "women", "woman", "female" or anything else to indicate the sex of the "individuals" that might be about to experience their first period.

Then there's the claim that 1 in 3 individuals entering puberty feels unprepared for a first period. They don't mean 1 in 3 individuals entering puberty, they mean 1 in 3 girls. Why don't they say so? Why the need to remove language that identifies the sex of those involved?

MysteryBelle · 15/08/2023 15:15

Who are these insane people who put themselves in charge of our language and are essentially telling us to stop using words like daughter, mother, female, woman or replacing them with made up words that prop up some weird agenda? Making everyone androgynous or fluid or the opposite of what we are.

MysteryBelle · 15/08/2023 15:16

Daughter, not child. Girl, not individual. What are the powers that be trying to do here?

StillHereStillBreathing · 15/08/2023 15:16

Signef · 15/08/2023 14:05

Even 25 years ago it was ingrained in teachers that not all kids are raised by their mums and dads.

It didn't need to be ingrained . Much further back than 25 years ago many children not a small minority had lost a parent or both. Many. We are lucky now to have fewer parents dying young due to our good standard of living.

HootyMcBooby76 · 15/08/2023 15:33

MysteryBelle · 15/08/2023 15:16

Daughter, not child. Girl, not individual. What are the powers that be trying to do here?

It's trying to de-couple women and girls from their biology so that anyone claiming to be a woman or girl can have access to that category without having to fulfill the biological necessity of being a female.

ANYONE can be a woman if they say so, it's not about biology etc etc.

It's been going on for a long time and this is just another example.
It's NOTHING to do with people raising girls who are not their daughters. People have been doing that for centuries and we have never felt the need (before now) to start changing language on the off chance that an Aunt somewhere will feel hugely offended that she was "excluded".

It's ALL about the current ideology and anyone who doesn't see this is being disingenuous.

Merkins · 15/08/2023 15:33

JohnnyYenSetHimselfOnFireAgain · 15/08/2023 14:30

"Time to get your girl period-ready." Sorted.

Absolutely not. I would say “my child”, but not “my girl”. God help anyone who referred to her as “your girl”. Yuck. I don’t know why, but it sounds incredibly creepy.

Peony654 · 15/08/2023 15:35

YABU. Who cares. And all children should learn about periods

JanieEyre · 15/08/2023 15:47

Sueveneers · 15/08/2023 13:26

And it's not uncommon for the website template/sections to say women/girls, tht could have been there for years, and someone now adding on a section that has differing language. The paragraph is the most recent, and it's quite telling. As to how many are raising nieces/grand daughters/foster daughters etc, I wager that the overwhelming majority of girls are raised by their mums, so why not cater to the majority? It's not like a grandmother/aunt/foster mum can't figure out what it means anyway.

Way to be inclusive. Let's not bother to cater for disabled people, shall we, because the majority of people aren't disabled. Let's not bother to modify our language to leave out racist terms, because the majority of people who hear it won't be of the race concerned. Let's not worry about making it clear that both men and women can apply for traditionally male jobs, because the majority of women won't want to.

Can you see how this argument just doesn't work, particularly when you can get over the problem so easily and uncontroversially?

nothingcomestonothing · 15/08/2023 16:15

HootyMcBooby76 · 15/08/2023 15:33

It's trying to de-couple women and girls from their biology so that anyone claiming to be a woman or girl can have access to that category without having to fulfill the biological necessity of being a female.

ANYONE can be a woman if they say so, it's not about biology etc etc.

It's been going on for a long time and this is just another example.
It's NOTHING to do with people raising girls who are not their daughters. People have been doing that for centuries and we have never felt the need (before now) to start changing language on the off chance that an Aunt somewhere will feel hugely offended that she was "excluded".

It's ALL about the current ideology and anyone who doesn't see this is being disingenuous.

This.

It's not about being inclusive to non traditional families, it's about erasing the terms for human females. As the '1 in 3 individuals' makes clear, because they mean 1 in 3 female individuals, don't they? So why don't they say that? (rhetorical question).

RoseslnTheHospital · 15/08/2023 16:20

@JanieEyre periods aren't inclusive. They happen to girls and women, female humans only. Companies like Always are marketing their products to the female half of the population. It's ok to use the words that apply to that half of the population.

Removing terms that discriminated against women is not the same thing.

StillHereStillBreathing · 15/08/2023 16:24

Only Women Bleed.

Sueveneers · 15/08/2023 16:26

I am waiting on further clarification from a geneticist however in regards to the article posted from 'Scientific American', there is this from the author of the article. "The best reply to this article is the author herself denying the idiotic way people quote it and use it lol Remember, Claire Ainsworth, the author of the "Sex Redefined" piece in Nature that gender activists like to tout as undeniable proof that there are more than 2 sexes, has explicitly rejected that interpretation of her article."

Get your child period ready
Sueveneers · 15/08/2023 16:30

JanieEyre · 15/08/2023 15:47

Way to be inclusive. Let's not bother to cater for disabled people, shall we, because the majority of people aren't disabled. Let's not bother to modify our language to leave out racist terms, because the majority of people who hear it won't be of the race concerned. Let's not worry about making it clear that both men and women can apply for traditionally male jobs, because the majority of women won't want to.

Can you see how this argument just doesn't work, particularly when you can get over the problem so easily and uncontroversially?

What is your suggestion? That we should say girl +disabled, +guardian raised children? A paragraph long sentence to describe every single infinite base?

Do you really lack the ability to understand that your argument that every single qualifier be used, is bullshit? A female child with disabilities is still....a female. Your argument makes zero sense. And surely you must know that on some level. Saying girl or female, is the way to get over this problem easily, and uncontroversially.

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