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To think hotels are very child unfriendly

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Ontheclifftop · 14/08/2023 10:17

We've just come back from a weekend away in a hotel with dd aged 5 and ds aged 3. Three incidents really made me realise how unwelcoming hotels are to young families:

  1. When we were checking in after a long drive the kids were letting off a bit of steam. I know how that sounds, but they were just running around a bit, not getting in anyone's way or anything. Two people who were sitting on couches reading newspapers got up and left, one sighing heavily and one giving us a dirty look.
  2. At about 7ish the following morning we got a call from reception to say the people in the next room were complaining about the noise. Again I know how that sounds, but dd and ds were playing quietly with some teddies. DS let out one squeal of excited laughing but other than that they were perfectly fine.
  3. Following that call I said I'd take them down to the swimming pool as I knew it opened early. When I got down the attendant said it was adult only between 7.30 and 9.00. I explained about the phone call and pointed out there were only 2 people in the pool and I'd do my best to ensure we'd stay down at the shallow end and not get in their way. But he refused to let us in.
The whole thing really pissed me off. What are you supposed to do with young children in a hotel? If they play quietly in the room someone complains. If you try to use the facilities to keep them occupied, you're told you can't.

AIBU to feel hotels are just totally unwelcoming to young families nowadays?

OP posts:
AuntieJune · 15/08/2023 09:50

That's shit, if a hotel accepts bookings for children then it should make them feel welcome.

Most hotels are not ideal places for children though - you have to sit in a darkened room with them after they go to sleep, for one thing.

People tutting wouldn't have bothered me, they can get to fuck. A bit of a runaround mid-journey in a playpark might have helped with the energy levels, though.

Noise in room - I doubt kids are louder than the sexy noises and TV noises you get in hotels.

If adult only time in pool was clearly stated on website, I guess that's fair enough.

This is why we mainly stay in beige airbnbs or campsites tbh.

beachbitch · 15/08/2023 09:51

I don't think parents realise just how annoying their own DC are. I'm sure over the years I've learned to block out my own DC's noise without realising it, but why should other people have to ? Kids are annoying sometimes, there's no harm in admitting that.

Movinghouseatlast · 15/08/2023 09:51

Why fo uou think it's OK for your children yo 'let off steam' in a hotel.lobby? Why do you think your children are more important than other guests? Tell them.to pipe down or take them outside to run around.

plasticinevitable · 15/08/2023 09:51

Childfroendly · 15/08/2023 09:44

If that's your reasoning, why should they care about people who wish to read in peace.
Lobby's are public, busy places, if they wanted to read in peace maybe they should have stayed in their rooms.

They could have been waiting for their room or waiting for transport to arrive. It doesn't really matter why they were there, the point is that it's not considerate to allow children to run around or shout in public places. It's also not especially safe - having worked in hospitality when I was younger, in a busy and child friendly pub, we were quite clear that children shouldn't be running around when staff were carrying hot food and drinks.

fitzwilliamdarcy · 15/08/2023 09:52

A huge proportion of the population has young children currently, or recently had young children

This actually isn’t statistically true. 2020 figures show that roughly 5% of the population was between 0-4 years old. Only 5% of the UK population has a child under 4.

Obviously more people have kids than don’t but the percentage of parents with young kids is actually much smaller than people realise.

Zodfa · 15/08/2023 09:52

Hanging out in a hotel lobby and expecting it to be all peaceful and quiet is weirdo loser behaviour, quite frankly.

And some people get a power trip complaining about kids making even the slightest noise. They're bullies and kids are easy targets. Unfortunately the hotel staff can't just tell them to sod off.

savethatkitty · 15/08/2023 09:54

Maybe your children aren't as quiet & well behaved as you think. You seem to think the pool rules should be bent just for you.

Sirzy · 15/08/2023 09:54

Zodfa · 15/08/2023 09:52

Hanging out in a hotel lobby and expecting it to be all peaceful and quiet is weirdo loser behaviour, quite frankly.

And some people get a power trip complaining about kids making even the slightest noise. They're bullies and kids are easy targets. Unfortunately the hotel staff can't just tell them to sod off.

Nobody is expecting it to be silent. People are expecting it not to be a playground.

people should be able to walk through a hotel lobby without having to dodge children “letting off steam”

EhrlicheFrau · 15/08/2023 09:55

LadyGrinningSoul85 · 15/08/2023 09:47

Honestly, OP. I wouldn't bother asking on here.
I'd ask on Babycentre, where the audience is younger, I spend most of my time posting there as they are more relatable due to my age (30s).

This website is full of older people that look back at how they parented with rose tinted glasses and think they did better than anyone ever did or does nowadays.
I was brought up by someone of that generation, so I find that laughable, but that's another story.

To answer your post. No, I don't think you're being unreasonable. Some people are just miserable arseholes that object to children taking up any space or making any sounds in general, not even fighting or squealing, just any sounds at all.
I would have encouraged mine to be louder out of spite, but that's because I've reached the point where I'm done being polite and trying to please these people.

Poke someone enough and they'll bite.

I hope you are okay and enjoying your break. Don't let these miseries spoil your time.

This is a joke right?
It's got to be.

LaTartine · 15/08/2023 09:56

LolaSmiles · 15/08/2023 09:39

We all need to be tolerant of each other at times, and there are places where I expect children to be, well, being children, and places where parents really need to set guidelines. In this case other guests may have been more understanding if the op had less of a 'you have to put up with my kids' attitude and was actually trying to calm them down a bit/work within the hotel guidelines!
Agree with this.
There's a minority of people who will be judgey and rude at the sight of a child, but most are understanding especially in situations where a parent is doing their best.
The issue is that some parents seem to confuse developmentally appropriate behaviour and family friendly with the expectation that they can allow their children to be loud/boisterous and disruptive. Then when child-free adults or other parents object to the behaviour, they sulk and claim everyone hates children.

Totally agree.
Teach children when to be quiet and when the can run around.
Hint- in a park!
I came back from France recently and there were lots of small children.
At breakfast they ate their food, zero running around, even the tiny ones.
British parents expect their children to be in a constant theme park environment so that they don't need to parent.
At 3 and 5 they should be able to understand that it's time to be quiet, blimey at 3 my DD was at a pre school where they were firm on manners, sitting quietly to eat, No running around with food etc.
At work all I hear is " bloody kids, can't wait for the holidays to end, little shits etc
Yes they are talking about their own children!

yogasaurus · 15/08/2023 09:56

EhrlicheFrau · 15/08/2023 09:55

This is a joke right?
It's got to be.

I know.

Young 🤣

Boomchuck · 15/08/2023 09:58

Sorry OP, it sounds like you are the unreasonable one here. We have 3 young children and visit plenty of nice hotels every year. We’ve never had any of these things happen to us because we’ve taught them how to behave in a shared space. Clearly several other people (not just one grumpy person) found your kids’ behavior unreasonably disruptive, even if you didn’t, and yet you still felt entitled to inflict them on those people when there were rules (ie adult swim time in the morning) that prevented you from doing so for a short period of time.

I’d say this is a you problem, not a hotel problem.

EhrlicheFrau · 15/08/2023 10:00

yogasaurus · 15/08/2023 09:56

I know.

Young 🤣

Well I was more thinking about being a 'misery' because I expect parents to, well, parent (or at least try to), but you have a point too. 😂

AsianRose · 15/08/2023 10:04

Oatycookies · 15/08/2023 07:18

It’s true, I suffered from insomnia during the pandemic and when I have it under control a disrupted night like that can then trigger it again and let me say insomnia can be the caused of mental health issues, weight gain and difficulties with work. You don’t play around with peoples sleep.

I feel sorry for all concerned in this situation but we can’t just dismiss what the other guests went through as a minor inconvenience.

Some people can barely function without a decent night of sleep. Being sleep deprived for some people can mean they struggle to drive, think properly or do various other tasks they can normally do.

I think the hotel should have moved them on the first night.

I travel a lot for work and family (with kids and without) and I'm a poor sleeper.
I once spent a sleepless night in one hotel due to an insanely loud snorer (it was horrible!). A few times there have been loud wedding and parties going on. Quite a few times, woken due to guests making noise in the corridor at night and talking loudly, slamming doors etc. Another night it was due to loud sex (also horrible to hear). I actually haven't been woken by a screaming child (that's not my own of course) but I actually would have far more sympathy for that situation than most of the above.
If you know noise wakens you and sleep is that important for you, ear buds or noise cancelling sleep headphones are your friend - kids are not the problem here, you need to be prepared for staying in hotels.

UsingChangeofName · 15/08/2023 10:05

I took my young children into a shopping centre today and I was on their case the entire time we were out. Stay next to me, don’t run around, don’t touch that, don’t laugh too loudly. I basically spent the entire time we were out getting them to ‘behave’ and the more I tried the more difficult it became because they are children, and those things don’t come naturally to them. They’re good children… but they were bored, there was a lot of waiting and ultimately they don’t have the ability at 3 and 5 years old to behave like mini adults.

The point of the thread though, is due to the fact that "they don't have the ability to behave like mini adults" (obviously, because they are small children), many of us choose to parent in such a way that they aren't expected to. My eldest had just turned 5 when my youngest was born, so I too had 3 under 6 for a while. I wouldn't expect them to have to spend a long time in a shopping centre. We didn't even have the option of on-line shopping when mine were little, as parents do now, but if I needed something, then - as a pp suggested - you pick your time and get in, get what you need, and get out. Preferably after the dc have had some exercise, or were on a promise of "First we need to get the school shoes, and then we are going to the park / swimming / whatever" for those occasions when you do need to take them in.

More generally, it is the same with the hotel - if you want a relaxing break and have small children - best option is not to use a hotel. As has been said, you have to be constantly engaging the children and teaching them how to behave in different situations. Yes, there is a time when you need to start doing that, but it's hardly a relaxing weekend away for anyone, so why inflict it upon yourselves? There are cottages, Air BnBs, tents, Youth hostels, caravans, statics and lodges. Plenty of choice for places where you can be on your own timetable, and where they are much more likely to have outside space for dc to play in. At different stages of life, you choose appropriate places to stay and appropriate activities for where your family is in life, not expect everyone around you to tolerate your children behaving inappropriately.

It's not about hating children at all. In fact one of the most frustrating things when out somewhere with your children who have been / are being taught how to behave appropriately for that space, is to have other children running riot and being allowed to do so. I'm very happy to see other families out and about doing stuff together, just not ruining things by disturbing other people.

EhrlicheFrau · 15/08/2023 10:08

UsingChangeofName · 15/08/2023 10:05

I took my young children into a shopping centre today and I was on their case the entire time we were out. Stay next to me, don’t run around, don’t touch that, don’t laugh too loudly. I basically spent the entire time we were out getting them to ‘behave’ and the more I tried the more difficult it became because they are children, and those things don’t come naturally to them. They’re good children… but they were bored, there was a lot of waiting and ultimately they don’t have the ability at 3 and 5 years old to behave like mini adults.

The point of the thread though, is due to the fact that "they don't have the ability to behave like mini adults" (obviously, because they are small children), many of us choose to parent in such a way that they aren't expected to. My eldest had just turned 5 when my youngest was born, so I too had 3 under 6 for a while. I wouldn't expect them to have to spend a long time in a shopping centre. We didn't even have the option of on-line shopping when mine were little, as parents do now, but if I needed something, then - as a pp suggested - you pick your time and get in, get what you need, and get out. Preferably after the dc have had some exercise, or were on a promise of "First we need to get the school shoes, and then we are going to the park / swimming / whatever" for those occasions when you do need to take them in.

More generally, it is the same with the hotel - if you want a relaxing break and have small children - best option is not to use a hotel. As has been said, you have to be constantly engaging the children and teaching them how to behave in different situations. Yes, there is a time when you need to start doing that, but it's hardly a relaxing weekend away for anyone, so why inflict it upon yourselves? There are cottages, Air BnBs, tents, Youth hostels, caravans, statics and lodges. Plenty of choice for places where you can be on your own timetable, and where they are much more likely to have outside space for dc to play in. At different stages of life, you choose appropriate places to stay and appropriate activities for where your family is in life, not expect everyone around you to tolerate your children behaving inappropriately.

It's not about hating children at all. In fact one of the most frustrating things when out somewhere with your children who have been / are being taught how to behave appropriately for that space, is to have other children running riot and being allowed to do so. I'm very happy to see other families out and about doing stuff together, just not ruining things by disturbing other people.

Your last paragraph definitely resonates with me!

Segway16 · 15/08/2023 10:10

ImNotReallySpartacus · 14/08/2023 10:52

Hotels are basically for adults, so if you take children to a hotel, you need to take responsibility for keeping them under control.

😂😂😂 What the fuck?

EhrlicheFrau · 15/08/2023 10:13

AsianRose · 15/08/2023 10:04

I travel a lot for work and family (with kids and without) and I'm a poor sleeper.
I once spent a sleepless night in one hotel due to an insanely loud snorer (it was horrible!). A few times there have been loud wedding and parties going on. Quite a few times, woken due to guests making noise in the corridor at night and talking loudly, slamming doors etc. Another night it was due to loud sex (also horrible to hear). I actually haven't been woken by a screaming child (that's not my own of course) but I actually would have far more sympathy for that situation than most of the above.
If you know noise wakens you and sleep is that important for you, ear buds or noise cancelling sleep headphones are your friend - kids are not the problem here, you need to be prepared for staying in hotels.

I don't always sleep well in hotels and don't expect there to be no noise at all, so come prepared with earplugs and sleep music (on earphones) - I have also experienced the person in the next room keeping me awake with ridiculously loud snoring (I am sure they were having a great sleep!) and various other noises. That said, I would still expect parents to attempt to control their children by not letting them run about in public areas (it's dangerous as well as annoying/noisy) and also to understand the implications to other guests of letting them scream/squeal/jump on floors, especially during sleeping hours!

AsianRose · 15/08/2023 10:14

Segway16 · 15/08/2023 10:10

😂😂😂 What the fuck?

Blimey. You may as well be talking about dogs. 😯
It's this attitude which underpins the whole thread

jolaylasofia · 15/08/2023 10:15

Crowfinch · 14/08/2023 10:48

Someone's children were letting off steam in the baggage reclaim area at Manchester Airport the other week. That was fun for those of actually trying to get our suitcases.

My two are teens now, but they wouldn't have dreamt of running about in places where, usually people don't run about. But then, I've brought my kids up to be aware that we all share space.

yes i have two teenagers- girls that have travelled alot since being 10 months old and have never behaved like this. I now have an 18 month old boy who is absolutely feral. I know this so I plan ahead. he goes straight in buggy in busy places like baggage hall etc or on reigns of i haven’t got the buggy back yet.
kids have different personalities but it’s up to parents to control the situation

EL8888 · 15/08/2023 10:16

The title of this thread is wrong. It should say To think hotels don’t want to put up with my children’s bad behaviour

The poster is basically annoyed her children’s bad behaviour and her poor parenting has been queried

jlpth · 15/08/2023 10:19

Young children need to be carefully parented in situations like this. People who’ve paid for a hotel and are sitting reading a newspaper really don’t want young kids running about - they just want to relax and enjoy their holiday. It can be stressful wondering if the child is going to run into you. IME the kids should have been standing by you, not running around. The 5yo must have been to school and must understand surely. If the 3yo doesn’t understand, then reins are needed (or to be in buggy).

also ridiculous to ask if they can get in the pool during adult only time. Adult only time exists solely due to persistent irritating behaviour from young kids/families.

pinkyredrose · 15/08/2023 10:21

northernsunshine · 15/08/2023 00:07

@Ontheclifftop I am with you ONE HUNDRED PER CENT.

I was thinking the same thing. It’s a wider issue, sadly in Britain we are just not a nice, child friendly country in general. Modern parents are helping but I think with the rising elderly population and the Entitled Boomers, there is a prevailing “children should be seen and not heard” attitude that remains.

Lol.

DancingFerret · 15/08/2023 10:24

Zodfa · 15/08/2023 09:52

Hanging out in a hotel lobby and expecting it to be all peaceful and quiet is weirdo loser behaviour, quite frankly.

And some people get a power trip complaining about kids making even the slightest noise. They're bullies and kids are easy targets. Unfortunately the hotel staff can't just tell them to sod off.

That rather depends on the actual hotel lobby; some are spacious enough to facilitate both reception and tables for coffee, etc.

...and hotel staff would be extremely unlikely to tell the adults in their target market to sod off, even if they could.

fitzwilliamdarcy · 15/08/2023 10:24

At work all I hear is " bloody kids, can't wait for the holidays to end, little shits etc
Yes they are talking about their own children!

I hear this too. A lot of complaining because the weather has been too bad for them to just “chuck their kids outside all day to annoy someone else”.

I find that sometimes the most child intolerant are those that have them…

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