To think people who want "safe routes to migration" into the UK are hopelessly naive

[ForestGoblin]

We could spend every penny of public money on bringing refugees to the UK in comfy and safe boats and planes. We could make it mandatory for every home to provide accommodation and food. We could ban healthcare for anyone except refugees.

And there would still be thousands and thousands of boat crossings every year and millions more people languishing in bad situations and trying to figure out how to get here or elsewhere in northern Europe.

It's a crap situation. Life is bad. I feel dreadful for them.

But "safe routes" is a load of glib nonsense that can't work.

Because people care about themselves and their families before others - Brits, migrants, everyone. I’m outraged about how me and mine are being treated, and people that are going to spread resources even thinner and mean my kids don’t get the health care and education they deserve (and I pay for) are not going to be at the top of my list.

Once our country is running properly again and I’m not so skint and stressed then I will be happy to use the leftover energy worrying about others and wanting to help make their lives better.

Amazes me that we're the 5th richest country in the world & our government & the right wing media has managed to hoodwink the population that all our problems are the fault of migrants. Not underfunding, not creaming off money to rich Tory donors but migrants. And so many people lap it up.

Sorry,but I don't agree we need more immigrants as we are an aging population. We are the 8th most overcrowded European country, the top 3 are Monaco, Vatican city and Malta [ I think that is right], and frankly I would discount the top 2. We can't feed ourselves , we don't have enough houses, we don't have an economy that actually works. Better to take the hit, let the natural population growth take care of it by allowing a decrease and see if we have a better lifestyle for more people.BTW I'm 67, I understand that I will see my own life become harder due to this factor. I am unlikely to have grandchildren so my kids aren't adding to the population.

"We can't feed ourselves , we don't have enough houses, we don't have an economy that actually works."
why is that?

I think this country is a diabolical mess that's becoming more and more impoverished with too many people coming to live here.
I don't think we can invite anyone else 'to the party' let alone welcome 'gatecrashers'
The men coming over in boats bypass several safe countries. Majority of them come from countries where people still go in holiday and are far from war torn.
We spend 7 million+ a day housing them in hotels up and down the country. Money that is desperately needed for healthcare, education, housing etc.
the whole thing needs to stop.
If their countries they claim to come from are unsafe for them, then we certainly need to know how their women and children are and why they've left them.

Probably, but that is only 25% of their current customer base so it's a good start!

Because the western world is in decline. It’s the same in many other countries. I had a Spanish friend over yesterday who was telling me they’re having exactly the same issues - their housing crisis is just as bad as ours if not worse, and they also have a cost of living crisis.

The Tories may have compounded the problems but they’re not the ultimate cause, even if Labour had been in all these years they would be finding it very challenging to give us what we want. In fact they wouldn’t be able to

@Jamtartforme - & do you know how much that costs us?

What?

Disagree based on what experience? It’s a fact that the accommodation doesn’t necessarily need to hold many, Nauru doesn’t.

If you listen to that call and still think he’s wrong well there’s no point continuing 🤷‍♂️

Experience counts for less than opinion so I’ll leave you to it.

@luckylavender

It doesn't matter that it's the tories faults, we still can't have anyone else come here until our government start sorting out what's going on or the problem is just going to get worse.
It is easy for a comfortable off person with a stable home, a good pension and prospects to say they're all welcome but for those who are living with the effects of it, who's future isn't so rosy, this is a real world problem for them. I'm sure if you lived next to a hotel that was closed for asylum seeker men, you'd have a differing opinion too.

I would also caution everyone sitting in moral judgement of those who don’t want further immigration to remember what happened last time those with concerns were branded ‘racist’ or ‘bigoted’, they got fed up with it and voted for Brexit and the Conservatives. 🤷🏼‍♀️ And now here we are.

@fullbloom87 - where did I say they're all welcome?

@milkandbread really well said.

@Jamtartforme - funding & housing thousands of people for years. That's the scandal.

@ForestGoblin

the ignorance here beggars belief
what a shame.

the uk needs appropriate immigrants as birth rate is 1.6 and needs to be 2.14

brexit stopped our easy flex ( worth note that over an appropriate time period even before the B world there was more immigrant action from outside the EU).

if you are in Syria Iran or under people like the Taliban there is no way you can get a ticket or visa or anything to legally try to get to the UK.

many want to come here because of the English language.

the world needs a new policy on all this, the environment and debt as with out it this will get worse and walls won't stop it

brexit made it a lot harder for us to work with our neighbours to sort this.

that's a fact if one know what one is talking about.

I can only imagine the outrage if they made a migrant work fruit picking and ‘contributing to our economy’ for a year only to reject their claim and deport them at the end of it

the uk needs appropriate immigrants as birth rate is 1.6 and needs to be 2.14

This sort of thinking is very outdated.

Many jobs will be taken over by AI. There is no need for a growing birth rate.

Yes. Many people will lose jobs due to AI. There would then be lots more competition for jobs that do exist.

You are spot on.

When I employed staff, 20 years ago I'd have to pay maybe £32k for the right person, then as the EU allowed free movement I had immigrants from Portugal, Spain, Poland etc accepting the same jobs for £18k.
Immigration is great for employers to keep costs down but kicks the UK working class in the teeth as it drives their wages down and that is the whole point why governments allow so many immigrants in unchallenged (net 600k last year).
The working class despise the EU free movement (hence Brexit) and immigration as it keeps their wages low, employers love it, and the government likes it to allow GDP to grow. Meanwhile the intellectual left want to encourage endless immigration without caring at all about the impact it has on the wages of the working class. You will only drive up wages of the poorest by restricting supply of new cheap labour. Remainers and pro-immigration types are deliberately shafting the working class.

Agree with this

And there is a housing crisis in many EU countries.

@Zebedee999

thats utter utter nonsense.

AI redundancy =/= a plentiful workforce willing and able to do care work and fruit picking etc.

Nope. EU free movement and immigration severely depressed the wages of working class people, I saw it myself when recruiting people how the wages were reduced as those I mentioned would accept far less than existing UK workers. It is basic supply and demand. I suspect you have no actual experience yourself?