Overreaction about glue gun incident at school

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https://www-thesun-ie.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.thesun.ie/news/8810155/furious-mum-school-son-burn-glue-gun/amp/?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQIUAKwASCAAgM%3D#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16912722078861&csi=1&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thesun.ie%2Fnews%2F8810155%2Ffurious-mum-school-son-burn-glue-gun%2F

Resulting in a teacher misconduct hearing
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/teacher-misconduct-panel-outcome-ms-sarah-mead

No wonder more and more staff are unwilling to do activities and trips. If the slightest thing goes wrong there will be a petition at the school gates and a public hounding

Except it’s time critical. You can’t find out a year later that a misconduct tribunal is going to use unofficial medical notes (which aren’t even a 1st opinion) as evidence against you and then go get a “2nd opinion” as the injury will have healed by then. No one can diagnose a burn from a year old scar.

@MillicentBystandr would you not just take your child back the next day (rather than wait a year) if you felt that their burn wasn't superficial but actually a potential third degree burn in need of more medical intervention than some vaseline and over the counter pain relief?

But the they didnt know it was superficial until the child was assessed by medical professionals later, the teacher didn't know it was superficial when it happened. Hot glue is very hot, more should have been done at the time - first aider called and his parent informed.

Jesus, you should never ever put Vaseline on a burn. Fun fact for you, you don’t know what notes a nurse is going to jot down after you have left the building and it doesn’t necessarily match up to what you’ve been told.

So we can't trust teachers OR nurses. But you, you we can trust.

Lol.

I'm sure some of the posters here are viciously delighted that the teacher lost her job.

It's ridiculous that a prohibition order was even under consideration.

Youve just contradicted yourself. No one has any idea who anyone is on these threads, so how on Earth would you know what “real professionals” are like on these threads? Do they conveniently happen to be the posters that you agree with?

(btw, in dermatology units diagnoses are often made on the basis of photographs.)

Exactly right and you’d expect the safeguarding lead to know this and do this. She’s not an untrained brand new TA.

Sorry YABU, I'm with the mum on that one. This is small but serious burn, the teacher should have made sure it's treated properly.

For me it's not that much about them using the glue guns or being left alone, but the teacher was completely irresponsible in the way they have handled it.

Fyi if you have never had deep burns, even a very small patch can cause serious pain and you should get it treated properly so it doesn't get infected. And you certainly do not put ice on it!

I'm not contradicting myself at all, you're just not as smart as you think you are.

Professionals, real ones, who care for patients every day, generally don't act this way. They care about their licenses, they don't give unwarranted medical opinions online, and they don't accuse other medical professionals of being wrong so they can look good online.

Your vaseline comment alone proves you don't know what you're talking about, and is in fact recommended not as first aid but as a skin treatment later both by the NHS and the AAD.

All I'm saying is don't take medical advice from random posters online. The fact you're arguing that again proves my point.

I bet the mother was hoping for some kind of financial pay off.

Yabbut @MillicentBystandr has lots of experience with this and can tell from the photograph.

Who are you going to believe - a random person on the Internet or the hospital report?

Pupil A wasn't supposed to be with the group using glue. Teacher told him to go back to his own group. He refused. He was told not to use the glue gun. He picked it up anyway. He hid his injury from the teacher (another child informed her). Teacher told him to go to the medical room. He refused. Teacher told him to run it under cold water. He refused. If it had been the middle of the day, she probably would have been able to talk him into receiving first aid, but it was home time, so she let him go home. If she'd told him to stay to see a first aider, do you think he would have?

Yes, a call should have been made to mum. But she was unbelievably unreasonable going to The Sun as her first port of call!!

If I were that Headteacher, after that show, I'd be telling Pupil A he wasn't safe enough to join in with high risk activities, including go on trips, because he is unable/unwilling to follow safety instructions.

Your vaseline comment alone proves you don't know what you're talking about, and is in fact recommended not as first aid but as a skin treatment later both by the NHS and the AAD.

Ointments are only recommended after the burn has completely healed. The poster I responded to was talking about Vaseline and pain relief as first aid.

This is appalling behaviour on your part.

Please do not put Vaseline on a burn as a first aid treatment. Anyone saying it is ok is 20yrs out of date.

Making a comment is not appalling behaviour. Personal attacks, on the other hand, are.

I thought the issue was not the glue gun per se, but the lack of proper H&S assessment and proper recording of the incident. But that's what I read elsewhere.

Yes a child was injured. That is not in dispute, in spite of people over the internet arguing.

There are school procedures that should have been followed and were not, both by the teacher and by the parent.

However, the parent COULD have gone to the headteacher and followed the school complaints procedure and had this investigated, the normal thing to do.

Instead they called the Sun newspaper and the police, causing a person to lose their job and to spend A YEAR worrying if they may lose their career.

All this at the time when the profession is losing good people hand over fist, so well done that parent.

The same people and the Sun newspaper will be complaining when their school kids have a succession of supply teachers rather than a permanent one.

When I read this report it just reminds me how totally overstretched schools and school staff are. The teacher did not have the capacity, on her own, to deal with the incident- including filling in all the paperwork and immediately notifying the parents- as well as adequately supervise the other 30 children. Then she was also expected to simultaneously deal with an urgent safeguarding incident on top of all this.

As well as this, the child in question didn't follow any of the instructions given, but that is also the 'fault' of the teacher.

This is what it is like, every day, in schools. We do not have enough staff to deal with the children and incidents that occur on a daily basis.

Poor, poor teacher. Absolutely abhorrent behaviour from the parent.

Feel so sorry for this teacher, awful that it went to the tribunal. The headteacher who asked her to rediffusion the issue here, to be deputy head, designated safeguarding lead and be teaching year 6 is too much and this organisational failure led her to fail to not inform the mother. Yet the heads response, to ask her to resign, is showing no care and the head is facing no consequences.

This is in no way going to help the teacher recruitment and will make teachers more risk adverse as well.

The way it was reported back to mum should have been handled differently, first aid should've been carried out better and he should've went to a walk in ASAP.

We use hot glue guns in scouting all the time. My cubs haven't needed plastic surgery yet because of our plans and supervision.

Sounds like an over worked teacher and over crowded classroom, mixed with bad planning and kids being curious. It's a shame the teacher lost their job if that was the outcome. Too many are leaving the profession and who can blame them with parents running to the media for everything....