Overreaction about glue gun incident at school

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https://www-thesun-ie.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.thesun.ie/news/8810155/furious-mum-school-son-burn-glue-gun/amp/?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQIUAKwASCAAgM%3D#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16912722078861&csi=1&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thesun.ie%2Fnews%2F8810155%2Ffurious-mum-school-son-burn-glue-gun%2F

Resulting in a teacher misconduct hearing
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/teacher-misconduct-panel-outcome-ms-sarah-mead

No wonder more and more staff are unwilling to do activities and trips. If the slightest thing goes wrong there will be a petition at the school gates and a public hounding

Seeing as the majority of doctors in pour country are from abroad, how did you come to the conclusion that the doctor who treated the child wasn’t black? Or hadn’t ever seen any patient with wounds on black skin? How odd.

I don’t drink alcohol. I think they got it wrong, which is sadly all too common in NHS over-stretched A&Es when assessing burns on Black skin.

This is a well researched and documented problem in the NHS. It’s not my personal conclusion and is to do with inadequate training and lack of clinical illustrations on darker skin tones. Please refer to the link I posted upthread for one report and you can Google if you’d like to do further research.

Interesting reading. So pupil resides to follow teacher's instructions- reading between the lines I suspect that this was usual for that pupil.
I was given a glue gun task for my class last year. Not enough glue guns to go round, so they had to share, making the project rushed. Plenty of pupils in that class who routinely refused to follow instructions. This case makes me realise how vulnerable I was, as class often had conflicting needs (urgent safeguarding issues were regular occurrence).
Next year I'll protect everyone by refusing to do the project on the school planning and substitute it with something that does not involve glue guns. Or hacksaws.

The mum was told to return to A+E a few days later to check for signs of infection. I’m guessing wildly here, but as theres no further medical report stating that the first doctor did in fact get it wrong and the child now needs a skin graft to cover the extensive 3rd degree burn that is massively that in actual fact, it was indee as first described, a superficial burn.

he realises - and is sorry for - the role he played.

He’s 10 fgs

He’s 10 fgs

I know awful post.

You wouldn’t need a skin graft on a less than 1% burn like this.
The difference between superficial and deep dermal (3rd degree) isn’t whether you need a skin graft.

What sort of parent has the forethought to take selfies of her and her child in A+E? Methinks she heard the sound on ££££s for a compensation claim.

Why are you questioning the repost of a doctor? Are you a doctor? Are you a medical negligence expert?
My point is that there was no further report of a worst burn than was initially reported. Are you saying the other person who examined the child is also wrong?
Whilst we’re at it, have you wondered how a Y6 child who’s mother lets him walk home from school alone managed to get a burn on the back of his hand through using a glue gun? The only way that he got that burn was by purposely putting it on his own skin.

Here is an informative flow chart that shows the usual procedure.

What an absolute waste of time and energy on this mother's part. Definitely looking for a pay out, with no thought for the stress which will be piled on the teacher, the school and the actual pupils there who are in serious and real need of safeguarding. What a hideous woman.
If this was one of my children, I would have been crosser that they were a) in a class they had no right to be in, b) using things they'd not had permission to use and c) ignoring the teachers instructions to help minimise the damage.
I almost feel sorry for the child

Maybe you could offer your services what with your wealth of experience?

@Soontobe60
Why are you questioning the repost of a doctor?
It’s not a medical report, it was a hospital summary sheet which can be completed by HCPs that are not doctors so there is no surety that the notes on the summary sheet being quoted by the tribunal were written by a doctor. The fact it’s not being quoted as “primary diagnosis” but “impression” and there is no name of a diagnosing doctor being attributed for “superficial burn” both indicate imho that it was likely not the diagnosis of a doctor.

My point is that there was no further report of a worst burn than was initially reported. Are you saying the other person who examined the child is also wrong? Normally a return visit to check for infection and change dressing would not be done by a doctor, but one of the physician associate or nursing staff. They are not going to go beyond checking that it is healing satisfactorily.

Whilst we’re at it, have you wondered how a Y6 child who’s mother lets him walk home from school alone managed to get a burn on the back of his hand through using a glue gun? The only way that he got that burn was by purposely putting it on his own skin.
That isn’t the only way. They have a built in stand that flips down which if not set down carefully, can cause the glue gun to fall over onto a hand. The metal nozzle piece also gets very hot and a child who hasn’t been shown how to use one (as was the case with this child) can easily make the error of thinking only the glue coming out is hot, not the nozzle itself. If children are working as partners, it is also common for one child to accidentally burn the other child’s hand if one is using the glue gun and the other child holding together what they are gluing.

....it is completely, mind blowingly insane that this became a professional conduct issue.
Yes, silly mother we’re very sorry but no, silly mother, we are not taking any steps against this teacher, and we don’t care which tabloid tag you run to. End.

This. Over and over again @AgathaSpencerGregson

a child who hasn’t been shown how to use one (as was the case with this child)

That isn't true.

I do agree there are plenty of different ways you could accidentally burn yourself or others with a glue gun.

MillicentBystandr

Thank you for your posts. I am sorry no one wants to listen to someone who clearly has a lot of experience in this field.

Before a safeguarding concern involving vulnerable children? Training suggests otherwise and immediate safeguarding involving child protection would take precedence. In an ideal world, the phone call would have been delegated to someone else or made immediately after the safety of the vulnerable children had been assured.

children are working as partners, it is also common for one child to accidentally burn the other child’s hand if one is using the glue gun and the other child holding together what they are gluing.

This is an issue and needs addressing in schools.

Regardless of who made the notes that were provided as evidence, there has been no evidence provided that demonstrates a more serious injury than that detailed on the notes, other than your opinon based on the photo. If a Dr had made an assessment that contravened what was said in the notes, why wouldn't the mother have accessed these and used them in the tribunal?

I recently risk assessed, and refused to teach, a planned activity that involved potentially dangerous equipment, because of the behaviour within the class and because of the lack of adult support available. I replaced the activity with a safer but less interesting alternative.

I was the subject of at least one complaint from a parent for not delivering the full curriculum.

This I agree with. Teachers in my school are refusing to take children out of school on little trips they've always done to the theatre, to the village library and to the church due to the behaviour of some children not following instructions and the propensity of parents complaining. Bigger trips such as residentials and day trips further afield are also being cancelled. We don't have the staff to make them workable either. Sadly it's the children who lose out.

The fact the mother went to the Sun the following day (Saturday) speaks volumes. She could have awaited a formal response from the school but I bet she saw £££ signs.

While I fully recognise there is an unconscious racial bias in medicine, this was in Edmonton. Therefore, I’m sure the medical staff have plenty of experience with a range of skin colours.