Overreaction about glue gun incident at school

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https://www-thesun-ie.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.thesun.ie/news/8810155/furious-mum-school-son-burn-glue-gun/amp/?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQIUAKwASCAAgM%3D#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16912722078861&csi=1&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thesun.ie%2Fnews%2F8810155%2Ffurious-mum-school-son-burn-glue-gun%2F

Resulting in a teacher misconduct hearing
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/teacher-misconduct-panel-outcome-ms-sarah-mead

No wonder more and more staff are unwilling to do activities and trips. If the slightest thing goes wrong there will be a petition at the school gates and a public hounding

Yes. Weak excuses. Do you know that 3rd degree burns do not hurt as much as 1st degree burns? So a child not acting like it was serious is actually a big red flag to any adult with even a few hours of safety training that this is a serious burn. Which means absolutely no excuse for the safeguarding lead to just be like meh, I’ll do nothing except have a vague intent to maybe call his parents in the evening…

It’s so obvious that is not a minor burn. Absolutely appalling decision making by the teacher.

The office should have done it. Teacher was teaching and then busy

@MillicentBystandr the actual medical report used in evidence states superficial……

@sparklelikeadiamond I wouldnt bother. @MillicentBystandr has decided that its a 3rd degree burn having seen it on their phone late at night. What would the medical professionals who actually saw the wound know??

I dont think glue guns should be used in primary. Precovid in y3 dc class were using them with parents/helpers no teachers or tas. I actually hadnt used one before. So had assumed it wouldnt be that hot. Did get some on my fingers but i guess tougher skin.
however i do think secondary must be a shock as there are many dangerous things

Well actually a child possibly having

coulda woulda shoulda

Yes as an “impression”, probably by someone with little experience in burns on Black skin.

I work with teens (and elderly) utilising potentially dangerous tools and it’s very straight forward … people using tools must be supervised closely, first aid processes followed (including appropriate medical attention), accidents reported internally/externally, parents informed, first aid training updated regularly. It sounds like this teacher failed to follow procedures. This could be a training issue or an unintentionally neglectful mistake. Either way I hope she has been supported in terms of what action to take when next presented with a burn. We all make mistakes and at least it was a minor injury.

A minor medical professional as it was notes and it said “impression: superficial burn” meaning it wasn’t a doctor that wrote it, and it wasn’t a diagnosis.

What would the medical professionals who actually saw the wound know??

Well actually you would be surprised we were seen firstly by one medical professional who thought it was OK a second opinion and we were referred immediately. These burns are hard to judge sometimes if you haven't a lot of burns experience.

coulda woulda shoulda

You sound lovely. A child with a serious burn isn't a joke.

This is why no one should buy The Sun.

@MillicentBystandr in which case the parent would have challenged it (she appears to be well versed in this) and the evaluation of the wound would have been changed. That does not appear to have happened.

An excellent thread to remind everyone people on here pretending to be medical experts are often the opposite. Especially when they believe they know more than actual professionals.

I do hope that teacher is receiving support from people who care about her.

That is to say the headteacher cut her loose with zero consideration. The manner in which it escalated can easily break someone into pieces. I really hope she has been able to find some sort of calm amid all that happened.

Primary schools do use glue gins but uou can get cool glue guns uovtake away the 'heat' risk.
My DS fell when he was in y1. He told the teacher his hand was hurting. She checked it. He could move all of his fingers / wrist. At home time.my DM picked him up and he had 'the wet paper towel' on it. Asked what he'd done , and checked it, (ex nurse) obviously damaged. She spoke to the teacher who apologised but he hadn't gone back and said it was still hurting. A+e followed by hospital the following day for op under G anaesthetic as he'd broken , dislocated and displaced his finger. School were mortified and very apologetic
Did I complain? No because it was a mistake She had checked but didn't go back to him. When I qualified as a teacher I made sure that I told ALL kids to come back if it still hurt etc, even when I thought it was OK. You do get busy and distracted and sometimes things that should be done are accidentally overlooked.

It was a misconduct tribunal not a criminal trial.

@MillicentBystandr I know- I have read the report.

What I find really irritating is the amount of posters on here who are saying "she should have sent the pupil to the medical room" it's stated in the official documents that she did and he refused to go! My sympathy is with the teacher, the mother had already started a petition to get her sacked for God's sake, but the teacher had already resigned anyway! It comes across as if the mother was on a total witch hunt of the teacher. I wish people would actually read the report before they chip in with their ill informed comments. I hope the teacher is OK, sounds like she's been put through hell over one understandable mistake.

🤨 Are you saying that every NHS member of staff is utterly infalliable when it comes to assessing skin conditions on BAME patients? That’s a rather bold assertion, given that this is well known shortcoming within the NHS because hundreds of thousands of BAME patients have had serious skin conditions - including severity of burns- misjudged due to lack of training on darker skin tones.

https://www.nursingtimes.net/opinion/there-is-variable-knowledge-around-assessment-of-darker-skin-tones-17-11-2021/

Then you should know there is no opportunity to challenge and change medical notes.

It’s one less teachers in an already depleted work force. Give it 5 years and there won’t be any teachers left.

@MillicentBystandr no but they can be updated if a second opinion is sought which determines, for example, that a wound which was previously thought to be superficial is in fact a third degree burn.