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AIBU to be angry we were subjected to Social Services Section 47 Investigation?

733 replies

Morbihanmum33 · 05/08/2023 10:13

Long post - sorry: My husband and I have 4 children, 14, 11, 7 & 2. No prior involvement with social services whatsoever. No ‘risk factors’ - criminal records / addiction issues / mental health problems / domestic violence / no issues at schools. Both of us have enhanced DBS. Professional jobs.

Our family recently had to endure the considerable distress and intrusion of a Section 47 child protection investigation.

Our 2 year old had light bruising across his thighs. Both my husband and I saw it but did not know how he’d done it. We flagged it when we took him to nursery, he is very active, trying to keep up with his bigger brothers. In the last 6 months at nursery, the nursery has filed 6 accident reports for incidents in their care, so they know what he’s like.

They rang me to tell me they had a statutory duty to report the bruises as they were unexplained and on a part of his body not normally associated with bruising. However, they assured me it was routine and nothing to worry about. They told me they made it clear on the referral that they did not believe we were responsible for the bruising.

The next morning a social worker called me and told me I had to take my son for a medical examination. This had to be done at the hospital - 45 mins away - immediately. I was due at work and had an important meeting so asked if it could be another time. I was told they could take my son into care if I did not go.

My son was given an examination by 2 doctors and I was interviewed at length. While waiting the social worker told me this was a Section 47 and that they would also have to see my other 3 children, and could go into their schools that same day if necessary to interview them! They also told me they had chosen not to involve the police at this stage!

The Drs found no evidence of non accidental injury. This was communicated to me and the SW at the time.

Despite this, the investigation still had to run its course over a number of weeks, with a visit to our home and interviews with the other 3 children, and them speaking to our GP and schools.

We all found the whole process deeply distressing and a total invasion of our privacy. I was fraught with worry the entire time. We were made to feel like criminals, with SS adopting a ‘guilty until proven innocent approach’. I’ve been left traumatised by the whole experience.

Having read up on this I understand that bruising in a non mobile infant under 6 months is always a major cause for concern, and some local authorities authorise automatic Section 47’s for referrals like this. However, government guidance is that (even with a non mobile infant) an initial enquiry or assessment should be made with the family before initiating an investigation.

Secondly, my child is fully mobile and the original referral explicitly said the bruising was not considered suspicious - so I do not understand why this was escalated in this way.

The cases (against all 4 of my children!) have been closed, but I’m so angry we were put through this. I also understand the fact an investigation was carried out will stay on file for a long time. I’m considering pursuing a judicial review on the basis an initial assessment should have been carried out and the lack of medical evidence did not warrant an investigation.

AIBU to feel like this - or should I just let it go?

OP posts:
Jellycatspyjamas · 05/08/2023 11:43

Why do you insist on giving proper abused children back to their abusive druggie parents?

You do know that the decision to remove a child from their parents, and return that child to their parents is made by the court, who review evidence from a range of professionals and who often disregard the social worker’s recommendations? You do know that social work have no legal powers to remove or return a child?

Treesandrivers · 05/08/2023 11:44

moistclam · 05/08/2023 11:16

YABU.

Horrible abusers slip through the net all the time. Just look at the news this week, so many monsters pretending they're parents. I'm sorry it's an inconvenience to folk being investigated, and yes if you're innocent then obviously it's going to be distressing, but I'd rather that than have more cases like those slip through. Let it go.

How many thousands of innocent children would you sacrifice to State care to prevent one baby P?

Would you sacrifice your own children to State care to prevent someone else’s baby P?

Jellyx · 05/08/2023 11:44

Hibiscrubbed · 05/08/2023 11:43

Also in case my post is misconstrued, I’m not suggesting the nursery was wrong for referring due to safeguarding concerns, they did the right thing. They have to act.

I just wish that everyone referred was subject to the same levels of scrutiny, and that such robust action was taken for all children, regardless of their background.

How do you know others aren't being investigated as robustly? Any child that presents with that kind of unexplained injury will be subject to that process regardless of economic status. Any prior violent offences would of course inform an assessment.

crapactually · 05/08/2023 11:45

category12 · 05/08/2023 11:43

You're not unreasonable to be angry and upset about being investigated, but just put it aside and let it go.

Better SS investigate and do checks for the benefit of children, sometimes erroneously, than they miss abused children.

Yes absolutely this and I think this is the healthiest thing to focus on OP.

Jellyx · 05/08/2023 11:46

Morbihanmum33 · 05/08/2023 11:43

Yes, I have requested all paperwork. Nursery called me prior to making the referral and said they had a 'statutory duty' to report it as unexplained and on a soft part of the body. She assured me it was routine and nothing to worry about, and I stupidly said ok. I do think if I had come up with a 'plausible explanation' at that point she would not have made the complaint. Big lesson learnt.

She shouldn't have made promises of what would happen next. She should have told you a medical and investigation may follow.

Even if you didn't say ok and asked her not to make the referral she still would have.

Hibiscrubbed · 05/08/2023 11:46

With the caseloads handed to underpaid SW, I can well believe @Cucucucu’s post.

CurlewKate · 05/08/2023 11:46

@Cucucucu That really is absolute bollocks. Your friend is lying.

Passmeaplacard · 05/08/2023 11:46

I will never understand how social services have the time to do this to innocent families yet so much horrific child abuse is missed

missmollygreen · 05/08/2023 11:46

loveandpoprockz · 05/08/2023 11:27

Or maybe they prefer to go for the easier targets like OP’s family?

The cost of getting it right means that sometimes they will get it wrong. Unfortunate for the OP, but is it worth it for the ones they get right?

Summerwhereareyou · 05/08/2023 11:47

Isn't it odd and yet when neighbours are risking their own lives calling ss to report crying child repeat locked outside or screaming etc nothing happens and bruises are explained away??

Cucucucu · 05/08/2023 11:47

crapactually · 05/08/2023 11:43

Absolute horseshit.

Except it’s not. It happens every single day .

Jellyx · 05/08/2023 11:48

Hibiscrubbed · 05/08/2023 11:46

With the caseloads handed to underpaid SW, I can well believe @Cucucucu’s post.

Please feel free to PM if you would like an explaination of how things work in social work - 8years in child protection.

So many times I've been alone knocking on the door of violent people.

Wild to say we're scared- we do support families and police do investigate DA.

Summerwhereareyou · 05/08/2023 11:48

I wonder if it's because those families eg star hobson, Arthur etc already have a relationship with sw and they are easier to manipulate and lie to sw?

Jellyx · 05/08/2023 11:48

Summerwhereareyou · 05/08/2023 11:47

Isn't it odd and yet when neighbours are risking their own lives calling ss to report crying child repeat locked outside or screaming etc nothing happens and bruises are explained away??

You do know you won't be told what is shared in an investigation or the outcome of it.

Cucucucu · 05/08/2023 11:48

CurlewKate · 05/08/2023 11:46

@Cucucucu That really is absolute bollocks. Your friend is lying.

So the teacher , the grandmother , the GP to this girl was lying . Everyone is lying ! Except people’s experiences here are the same again and again

Arightoldcarryabag · 05/08/2023 11:49

It's so sad to see so many defending Social Services in cases like this.

OP I really feel for you, until people go through these things, often they are clueless to the fact that it absolutely is not acceptable and it is not right.

Your treatment is in my eyes indefensible, sadly there will be no route to redemption and no possibility to feel closure on this.
Now you understand that at any time, these people can and will turn your life upside down without valid reason and I'm sure it will inform your interactions going forwards.
Sorry this happened.

moistclam · 05/08/2023 11:49

Treesandrivers · 05/08/2023 11:44

How many thousands of innocent children would you sacrifice to State care to prevent one baby P?

Would you sacrifice your own children to State care to prevent someone else’s baby P?

As distressing as it is, I'd rather go through the process and allow the medical/social teams to properly investigate any unusual bruising, than let another child be left at risk, yes.

If you don't abuse your kids, you have nothing to worry about (as much as folk will argue until the cows come home that social services take great joy out of removing kids for no good reason, that's just not the reality, and I have personal/professional experience of this).

Comedycook · 05/08/2023 11:49

It must have been a terrifying time for you op. I do think sw must have such a difficult job trying to protect abused children and also investigating families who have done nothing wrong. I don't think you should underestimate what you have been through.

Jellyx · 05/08/2023 11:50

Summerwhereareyou · 05/08/2023 11:48

I wonder if it's because those families eg star hobson, Arthur etc already have a relationship with sw and they are easier to manipulate and lie to sw?

Plenty of people try manipulate workers. It's really helpful to read child death reviews and look at all factors before blaming social work for the death of a child. NSPCC publish these reviews for free and I'd encourage you to read them

crapactually · 05/08/2023 11:50

@Cucucucu I'm sorry but I don't believe the story as you've told it. It sounds manipulated and twisted to serve a purpose.

LastChanceForIt · 05/08/2023 11:50

Jellycatspyjamas · 05/08/2023 11:36

The nursery manager told me she went home and cried when I told her they'd started a section 47 investigation, as she knew we wouldn't have hurt him and she felt awful about what we were subsequently having to go through.

That’s a nonsense, the referral from nursery to social work is what prompted the investigation process, the referral is raised because the nursery have concerns - if they had no concern they had no reason to raise it so either the nursery manager has no understanding of safeguarding and referral processes or she’s lying to you. What did she think would happen?

I’d request a copy of the referral paperwork - I think you’ll find your answer there.

Yes do a subject access request

The nursery knew he was accident prone and have said they knew you wouldn’t harm him so they didn’t need to refer

Hibiscrubbed · 05/08/2023 11:50

Jellyx · 05/08/2023 11:44

How do you know others aren't being investigated as robustly? Any child that presents with that kind of unexplained injury will be subject to that process regardless of economic status. Any prior violent offences would of course inform an assessment.

Because of my experiences. I’m not saying all SW will ignore the complicated cases and get the easy ones checked off, but there are families who have been ‘known’ for years, where the children are likely subject to unimaginable things, and where no action is taken due to……fear of repercussion? Paperwork? Lack of time? Risk of highlighting failings within their department? Lack of funds? Being overworked and having to focus on case numbers rather than case content? Because in the time it would take to ‘sort’ one family, they could tick off 70 others with relatively minor cases…?

Unfortunately I am often involved in the after effects of those ignored families. Then all we get is ‘lessons will be learnt’, and a closed case.

LolaSmiles · 05/08/2023 11:51

It must have been distressing for you OP, however safeguarding procedures have to apply to everyone.

Any safeguarding procedure that says "we'll investigate this family but not the nice one with professional parents and a DBS" isn't worth the paper it's written on.

LastChanceForIt · 05/08/2023 11:51

moistclam · 05/08/2023 11:49

As distressing as it is, I'd rather go through the process and allow the medical/social teams to properly investigate any unusual bruising, than let another child be left at risk, yes.

If you don't abuse your kids, you have nothing to worry about (as much as folk will argue until the cows come home that social services take great joy out of removing kids for no good reason, that's just not the reality, and I have personal/professional experience of this).

Unless SS use ‘risk of future emotional harm’ to remove children . They can do this when NO harm has happened but they just think it might and they don’t even need to specify what form the emotional abuse may take.

honeybeeeee · 05/08/2023 11:52

Awful that you had to go through such an invasive investigation when like you say he is a mobile active young child!

I wouldn't blame the nursery as I think they really were doing the right thing and they play an important role in referring children that genuinely do need help to SS - SS should have figured out early on that this was no such case.

That said, I'd be reluctant to support a JR as doing anything that makes a social worker reluctant to investigate seems counter intuitive to me. I'd rather SS be perfect, but if it's a choice between them over investigating or under investigating I'd choose over investigating every time if that means more children are looked after.

My close friend is a social worker in child protection and she said that before she had children she would always raise an eyebrow at any injury that was unexplained. She's got three of her own now and understands how easily it happens!

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