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AIBU to be angry we were subjected to Social Services Section 47 Investigation?

733 replies

Morbihanmum33 · 05/08/2023 10:13

Long post - sorry: My husband and I have 4 children, 14, 11, 7 & 2. No prior involvement with social services whatsoever. No ‘risk factors’ - criminal records / addiction issues / mental health problems / domestic violence / no issues at schools. Both of us have enhanced DBS. Professional jobs.

Our family recently had to endure the considerable distress and intrusion of a Section 47 child protection investigation.

Our 2 year old had light bruising across his thighs. Both my husband and I saw it but did not know how he’d done it. We flagged it when we took him to nursery, he is very active, trying to keep up with his bigger brothers. In the last 6 months at nursery, the nursery has filed 6 accident reports for incidents in their care, so they know what he’s like.

They rang me to tell me they had a statutory duty to report the bruises as they were unexplained and on a part of his body not normally associated with bruising. However, they assured me it was routine and nothing to worry about. They told me they made it clear on the referral that they did not believe we were responsible for the bruising.

The next morning a social worker called me and told me I had to take my son for a medical examination. This had to be done at the hospital - 45 mins away - immediately. I was due at work and had an important meeting so asked if it could be another time. I was told they could take my son into care if I did not go.

My son was given an examination by 2 doctors and I was interviewed at length. While waiting the social worker told me this was a Section 47 and that they would also have to see my other 3 children, and could go into their schools that same day if necessary to interview them! They also told me they had chosen not to involve the police at this stage!

The Drs found no evidence of non accidental injury. This was communicated to me and the SW at the time.

Despite this, the investigation still had to run its course over a number of weeks, with a visit to our home and interviews with the other 3 children, and them speaking to our GP and schools.

We all found the whole process deeply distressing and a total invasion of our privacy. I was fraught with worry the entire time. We were made to feel like criminals, with SS adopting a ‘guilty until proven innocent approach’. I’ve been left traumatised by the whole experience.

Having read up on this I understand that bruising in a non mobile infant under 6 months is always a major cause for concern, and some local authorities authorise automatic Section 47’s for referrals like this. However, government guidance is that (even with a non mobile infant) an initial enquiry or assessment should be made with the family before initiating an investigation.

Secondly, my child is fully mobile and the original referral explicitly said the bruising was not considered suspicious - so I do not understand why this was escalated in this way.

The cases (against all 4 of my children!) have been closed, but I’m so angry we were put through this. I also understand the fact an investigation was carried out will stay on file for a long time. I’m considering pursuing a judicial review on the basis an initial assessment should have been carried out and the lack of medical evidence did not warrant an investigation.

AIBU to feel like this - or should I just let it go?

OP posts:
WhosAfraidOfVirginalWolves · 05/08/2023 11:14

CurlewKate · 05/08/2023 11:11

"the families where the kids are genuinely at risk are pretty much left alone."

They don't. We only hear about the tragic misjudgments/mistakes. In both directions.

Exactly. And if SS didn't follow up on the seemingly trivial and minor referrals, there'd be a lot more of them.

Oloi · 05/08/2023 11:14

Most people who must be DBS checked and work in professional jobs would be trained to safeguard the vulnerable, and know this means reporting concerns, even if not sure.

The investigation has shown what you knew to be true, but as far as anyone else knew, there might have been issues to be uncovered and stopped. This was all in your children's best interests, and the process will save others.

Jellycatspyjamas · 05/08/2023 11:14

It's good that ss pick up on these things BUT they miss an awful lot and kids die as a result.
I guess it's quicker to look at 'easier to deal with parents' than the so called ones who will find every excuse under the sun not to engage with the authorities and tell the sw to fuck themselves or don't answer the door when sw calls.

It’s not a case of being quicker to deal with “easier” parents (and honestly they aren’t easier - just a different type of difficult). We have a duty to investigate - parents living in poverty, affluent parents, educated parents, illiterate parents, parents who engage, parents who don’t engage - we can’t decide someone is parenting safely because they have a professional job and a DBS.

The more parents do engage the quicker we can be out of their lives but we don’t make that decision based on salary and post code.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 05/08/2023 11:15

Soft targeting, OP.

I would be prepared to wager you don’t have a pit bull running around growling behind the front door, or a large bloke with a’Hitler’ tattoo on his forehead answering it. I expect the older children didn’t tell the SW to F off or threaten to head butt them.

So it would be a nice job to investigate your family.

CwmYoy · 05/08/2023 11:15

I hope you d make a complaint, OP. Someone deserves to be hung out to dry for this.

Emmacb82 · 05/08/2023 11:15

Social services can’t win at the end of the day. Every time there is a tragic case where a child ends up dead there is outcry over how social services failed them. And yet, when an innocent family are investigated, SS are labelled as a joke and how unnecessary it was. At the end of the day without an investigation, how are they supposed to know what has happened and how. Of course it is traumatic when you know you are innocent, and I can understand why you still feel that way now, but in order to protect poor innocent children, that is the way it has to be.

moistclam · 05/08/2023 11:16

YABU.

Horrible abusers slip through the net all the time. Just look at the news this week, so many monsters pretending they're parents. I'm sorry it's an inconvenience to folk being investigated, and yes if you're innocent then obviously it's going to be distressing, but I'd rather that than have more cases like those slip through. Let it go.

Moveoverdarlin · 05/08/2023 11:17

I would take him out of that nursery with immediate effect. I would find it hard paying them hundreds of pounds a month when they instigated all this stress for you. You trust them to look after your child, not make life a thousand times harder for you. If they didn’t think it was deliberate why did they refer you to social services? Surely that’s a big step for them to take? Loads of kids must have bruised legs. I’d be furious. Absolutely livid in fact.

MrsTwiggy · 05/08/2023 11:18

I've never had any SS involvement or even know anyone who has. I had absolutely no idea that bruising on a two year old's legs would trigger this type of thing?!

My nearly-2yo is running around and tripping over constantly. He has so much energy, he's always running and climbing things. He always has bruises on his shins, I honestly never imagined anyone would bat an eyelid - he's a toddler fgs!

New anxiety unlocked for me, then!

So sorry you've had such a stressful thing to deal with, OP xx

moistclam · 05/08/2023 11:18

P.s - Working in a professional job means sweet FA. It's not just parents from deprived backgrounds who abuse, OP.

gogomoto · 05/08/2023 11:20

They have to always fully investigate, every year children die from neglect and abuse. They do not know you, they cannot make assumptions that because you are a nice family it isn't abuse because some abusers do look from the outside like they are nice families! Dbs (I'm a safeguarding officer!) just means someone hasn't been caught.

Yes it's tough on you but I would prefer 100 unnecessary investigations than another child die.

Polik · 05/08/2023 11:20

Serious case reviews following the death of a child during to abuse almost always recognise not acting swiftly enough or with enough severity contributed to the death

Jellycatspyjamas · 05/08/2023 11:20

So it would be a nice job to investigate your family.

Have you ever done a child protection investigation? Been given information about an injury to a child and had no real sense of whether that child was in danger? Had to speak to parents and professionals about the child, explain why you were concerned and the intrusive nature of the enquiries you need to make. Know that you’re visiting a high level of anxiety on parents and children and know that if you don’t, and something happens to that child, you’re professionally accountable for your decision making.

Its never a nice job investigating child safety concerns, necessary but not nice.

Globules · 05/08/2023 11:20

I hear your frustration OP.

My issue is the finite resources are stretched so thin, families having a section 47 are waiting weeks/months for them to be closed. The "guilty until proven innocent" with SS is sadly normal, and flies in the face of one of the laws we pride ourselves on in this country.

Personally, I'd think very carefully if you do want to complain...are you the sort of person who can have this hanging over you for even longer whilst the complaint goes through, or do you just want to put it to bed and move on? If you did complain, what do you see as the end goal that you would be happy with?

Itwillneverhappentome · 05/08/2023 11:21

Sympathy op. My opinion of the whole system has totally changed. I work on the side doing the reporting.
Anyway I had a difficult birth. 48 hours without sleep then a further 48 hours whilst they investigated whether baby had a life limiting condition.

The hospital staff didn't want two parents staying with our newborn child overnight (remember no sleep for over 4 days at this point) I said I needed husband so I could sleep as I was exclusively breastfeeding and needed to sleep at some point. The stupid cow then said I (exclusively breastfeeding mother don't forget, newborn baby) could go home on the train and DH could stay with baby. I said that wasn't possible and she suggested pumping then leaving my newborn baby.

I got distressed when she said this (remember) no sleep and shouted to my husband she was trying to take my baby from me. I also shouted that I feared it was happening again (my first baby is disabled and was in hospital for a similar length of time)

Anyway the daft cow, having caused the situation reported me for being irrational. I was only visited by the internal safeguarding lead but found it deeply invasive and mortifying. In my role I'm very saware of how important safeguarding is, but how stupid do you have to be to interpret a sleepless mother of a newborns distress at being told to leave them miles and miles away from you as a concern?

Surely it'd be a sign of pnd if I just hopped on the train and left baby hours away.

Anyway, my post is just to say it's not a reflection on you but just that there are obviously people with no idea what safeguarding means in these systems. Which is why they miss the guilty and blame the innocent. It's horrible that they wasted so much time on you because somewhere a child was put at risk because of that.

Try and move on. It's the flaw of the system not a reflection on you.

RunAwayTurnAwayRunAwayTurnAway · 05/08/2023 11:22

MrsTwiggy · 05/08/2023 11:18

I've never had any SS involvement or even know anyone who has. I had absolutely no idea that bruising on a two year old's legs would trigger this type of thing?!

My nearly-2yo is running around and tripping over constantly. He has so much energy, he's always running and climbing things. He always has bruises on his shins, I honestly never imagined anyone would bat an eyelid - he's a toddler fgs!

New anxiety unlocked for me, then!

So sorry you've had such a stressful thing to deal with, OP xx

You need to rationalise your anxiety and get a bloody grip. You are worrying about bruising on shins.

The OP said: -

Our 2 year old had light bruising across his thighs. Both my husband and I saw it but did not know how he’d done it. We flagged it when we took him to nursery, he is very active, trying to keep up with his bigger brothers. In the last 6 months at nursery, the nursery has filed 6 accident reports for incidents in their care, so they know what he’s like.

They rang me to tell me they had a statutory duty to report the bruises as they were unexplained and on a part of his body not normally associated with bruising

LastChanceForIt · 05/08/2023 11:23

Did they investigate the nursery? I’d be very concerned if not especially as you mention other accidents there ? They referred as well so maybe covering their backs ?

Cucucucu · 05/08/2023 11:24

That was highly exaggerated and I would be looking to make a formal complaint and I would be requesting to see the referrals and take it from there .
No wonder so many cases go without action when they are using their resources so badly .

Southwestten · 05/08/2023 11:24

This sounds appalling, op. Definitely put in a complaint.

missmollygreen · 05/08/2023 11:24

wlana · 05/08/2023 10:26

It seems astonishing that they wasted all that time investigating you, when children who are really being abused aren’t identified and sometimes die as a result.

If it was that obvious who was and was not being abused im sure life would be much easier for social services!

Brefugee · 05/08/2023 11:26

That sounds very stressful. Frankly, i often think these kinds of things are a kind of fig-leaf and they do it against compliant families (low hanging fruit) to keep their status up, so when the next, inevitable, disaster happens they can say "but we investigate lots of kids, we're bound to miss one". Which is true. But not what is required in social work.

Museya15 · 05/08/2023 11:26

They did it because they like to go after professional people rather than the kids parents that get reported all the time and after one report don't bother to follow up the rest as they're from a sink estate and so the kid continues to be abused. It's the same with the police they rub there hands in glee at arresting a person with no criminal history, own home, great job etc etc, just for dropping litter or skipping a red light just as it turns. They love it.

loveandpoprockz · 05/08/2023 11:27

missmollygreen · 05/08/2023 11:24

If it was that obvious who was and was not being abused im sure life would be much easier for social services!

Or maybe they prefer to go for the easier targets like OP’s family?

Pinkflamingopants · 05/08/2023 11:29

I would be taking all those accident reports from the nursery and handing them over to Ofsted, and just inform the nursery that you don’t think they did anything on purpose, but it’s your duty as a concerned parent to do so.

Jellyx · 05/08/2023 11:29

It sounds like social work did a thorough job as they should have done.

I don't think it's fair to complain.
People are seem to complain social work do too much or not enough - can't win.

This was a thorough investigation as per legislation and child protection policy.