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AIBU to be angry we were subjected to Social Services Section 47 Investigation?

733 replies

Morbihanmum33 · 05/08/2023 10:13

Long post - sorry: My husband and I have 4 children, 14, 11, 7 & 2. No prior involvement with social services whatsoever. No ‘risk factors’ - criminal records / addiction issues / mental health problems / domestic violence / no issues at schools. Both of us have enhanced DBS. Professional jobs.

Our family recently had to endure the considerable distress and intrusion of a Section 47 child protection investigation.

Our 2 year old had light bruising across his thighs. Both my husband and I saw it but did not know how he’d done it. We flagged it when we took him to nursery, he is very active, trying to keep up with his bigger brothers. In the last 6 months at nursery, the nursery has filed 6 accident reports for incidents in their care, so they know what he’s like.

They rang me to tell me they had a statutory duty to report the bruises as they were unexplained and on a part of his body not normally associated with bruising. However, they assured me it was routine and nothing to worry about. They told me they made it clear on the referral that they did not believe we were responsible for the bruising.

The next morning a social worker called me and told me I had to take my son for a medical examination. This had to be done at the hospital - 45 mins away - immediately. I was due at work and had an important meeting so asked if it could be another time. I was told they could take my son into care if I did not go.

My son was given an examination by 2 doctors and I was interviewed at length. While waiting the social worker told me this was a Section 47 and that they would also have to see my other 3 children, and could go into their schools that same day if necessary to interview them! They also told me they had chosen not to involve the police at this stage!

The Drs found no evidence of non accidental injury. This was communicated to me and the SW at the time.

Despite this, the investigation still had to run its course over a number of weeks, with a visit to our home and interviews with the other 3 children, and them speaking to our GP and schools.

We all found the whole process deeply distressing and a total invasion of our privacy. I was fraught with worry the entire time. We were made to feel like criminals, with SS adopting a ‘guilty until proven innocent approach’. I’ve been left traumatised by the whole experience.

Having read up on this I understand that bruising in a non mobile infant under 6 months is always a major cause for concern, and some local authorities authorise automatic Section 47’s for referrals like this. However, government guidance is that (even with a non mobile infant) an initial enquiry or assessment should be made with the family before initiating an investigation.

Secondly, my child is fully mobile and the original referral explicitly said the bruising was not considered suspicious - so I do not understand why this was escalated in this way.

The cases (against all 4 of my children!) have been closed, but I’m so angry we were put through this. I also understand the fact an investigation was carried out will stay on file for a long time. I’m considering pursuing a judicial review on the basis an initial assessment should have been carried out and the lack of medical evidence did not warrant an investigation.

AIBU to feel like this - or should I just let it go?

OP posts:
BungleandGeorge · 05/08/2023 11:29

How bad was the bruising? Bruising on the thighs is a possible indicator of sexual abuse, it’s not a typical area that kids get bruised. For a nursery to feel they have to report and ss to follow that up the bruising looked suspicious. Which doesn’t mean it was actually caused by anything untoward but does mean they need to follow up. Might be worth asking gp for a blood test to rule out medical
conditions/ deficiencies that would cause excessive bruising. It’s horrible for you but I don’t really know what the alternative is if concerns are raised

FluffyFlannery · 05/08/2023 11:29

DinnaeFashYersel · 05/08/2023 10:51

I understand and sympathise but I think social services were correct to investigate.

You would be the type that would work for them.

Freddiefan · 05/08/2023 11:29

I remember my daughter had bruises on her legs but I had no idea how she got them. My aunt (an ex social worker) said that if someone reported them, I could be made to explain how she got them. My daughter was just a clumsy, active toddler.

Anontocomment · 05/08/2023 11:29

Changed username to comment as potentially outing.

  1. as you have an enhanced DBS I would ensure that SS have made it v v clear that there was no evidence whatsoever found against you or your husband - you need to get legal advice to make sure of this.

  2. Our experience of local SS has been atrocious. We asked for help with our DD when she was younger as I had severe mental health issues which were impacting on her. As I was (just!) managing to hold down a job & DH worked full time we were told 'she's fine, you don't need us' and left to get on with it. Thankfully Young Carers and the NSPCC stepped in to help.

There are brilliant SW who care but the system is so overloaded and the fallout so horrific if they miss something that they have to follow the rules to the letter.

So very sorry you went through this.

Jellyx · 05/08/2023 11:30

Museya15 · 05/08/2023 11:26

They did it because they like to go after professional people rather than the kids parents that get reported all the time and after one report don't bother to follow up the rest as they're from a sink estate and so the kid continues to be abused. It's the same with the police they rub there hands in glee at arresting a person with no criminal history, own home, great job etc etc, just for dropping litter or skipping a red light just as it turns. They love it.

What a weird thing to say. I know so many police officers and social work and this has NEVER been the case

FluffyFlannery · 05/08/2023 11:30

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 05/08/2023 11:15

Soft targeting, OP.

I would be prepared to wager you don’t have a pit bull running around growling behind the front door, or a large bloke with a’Hitler’ tattoo on his forehead answering it. I expect the older children didn’t tell the SW to F off or threaten to head butt them.

So it would be a nice job to investigate your family.

Exactly!

crapactually · 05/08/2023 11:30

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 05/08/2023 11:15

Soft targeting, OP.

I would be prepared to wager you don’t have a pit bull running around growling behind the front door, or a large bloke with a’Hitler’ tattoo on his forehead answering it. I expect the older children didn’t tell the SW to F off or threaten to head butt them.

So it would be a nice job to investigate your family.

What a ridiculous statement.

It also very clearly highlights who people think the problem is.

Nice, middle class people with responsible jobs don't abuse their children, it's just the tattooed ones with the nasty dogs.

Jellycatspyjamas · 05/08/2023 11:31

They did it because they like to go after professional people rather than the kids parents that get reported all the time and after one report don't bother to follow up the rest as they're from a sink estate and so the kid continues to be abused.

A quick look at any social workers case load would show that not to be the case at all.

Anewuser · 05/08/2023 11:31

I wonder whether people are getting a little confused by the investigation. Following the hospital confirming the bruises weren’t done deliberately, it shouldn’t have taken long to establish the child wasn’t being abused. Certainly not 8 weeks.

OP, I would complain to SS.

I would also put a Subject Access Request into your nursery, since they were the ones who put the original safeguarding concern through to SS. By the sounds of it, you’re likely be surprised by the things they’ve written about you and your family.

If anything else happens in the future (and with 4 young children that’s likely), they’ll start pointing fingers again. Following a complaint, they may be slightly less likely to immediately jump to the wrong decision.

Morbihanmum33 · 05/08/2023 11:32

I do understand Social Services have an important job to do. Like everyone I get so distressed whenever I hear of the cases that have been missed and there's been an horrific outcome.

We think we know what happened re the bruising - it seems 2 year old tripped and fell onto a kids bike lying on the lawn, during the melee of a kids party in our garden. 7 year old scooped him up, gave him a cuddle and off he went again. He didn't make much of a fuss, and 7 year old didn't tell us at the time.

Nursery told us they had a statutory duty to report it as it was unexplained. The nursery manager told me she went home and cried when I told her they'd started a section 47 investigation, as she knew we wouldn't have hurt him and she felt awful about what we were subsequently having to go through.

I find the whole 'unexplained' thing curious. Surely people who abuse their kids come up with a 'cover story' to stop them getting found out? It feels like we were severely punished for holding our hands up, being honest and saying 'sorry, we don't know what happened, he's an active 2 year old'. If there's any lesson for me in this, it's if I should ever spot another bruise and I'm unsure about where it's come from, I'll be sure to make up a plausible explanation and lie to the authorities.

I don't have a problem with social services giving us a call, or paying a visit to our house. But I believe the decision to start a Section 47 investigation seems completely disproportionate when there are no background issues or history with 14 years of parenting behind us, the nursery referral saying they didn't think it was suspicious, and on day 1 Drs saying no evidence of non-accidental injury. I can't understand why there was no initial assessment as per guidance,
and why instead a decision was made to drag our other 3 children and their schools into this, and put us through weeks of stress and worry.

OP posts:
Jellyx · 05/08/2023 11:32

Exactly this!

It's funny as 'lower income families' actually complain social work don't 'go after' middle class families.

It's intersting to see the same things are said on all 'sides'

The reality is - a small child had explained brushing in an unusual place and a thorough investigation occurred. Well done social work!

Museya15 · 05/08/2023 11:33

Jellyx · 05/08/2023 11:30

What a weird thing to say. I know so many police officers and social work and this has NEVER been the case

Nothing weird about it, that's what they do. They love it and pursue, I bet she/he were well disappointed that the doctor couldn't find any form of abuse.

Hibiscrubbed · 05/08/2023 11:33

And yet when children are truly at risk…

Jellyx · 05/08/2023 11:34

Hibiscrubbed · 05/08/2023 11:33

And yet when children are truly at risk…

How do they know if a child is truly at risk without a proper investigation?

Treesandrivers · 05/08/2023 11:35

All this citizens reporting citizens.

We needed to push back years ago so there weren’t reporting requirements. Now we should campaign to get them removed.

SS is like a sniper attack. Keeps everyone in fear because we know that the few hits are random and devastating.

Hard for judges. They aren’t allowed to take into account the risks and poor outcomes of the care system.

Jellyx · 05/08/2023 11:35

@Museya15

What a horrible thing to say about social workers. I'm in the jib and we're all upset to find any abuse! Of course we don't want to find it!

MySugarBabyLove · 05/08/2023 11:35

loveandpoprockz · 05/08/2023 11:27

Or maybe they prefer to go for the easier targets like OP’s family?

How do you suppose that they know OP’s family are an easy target?

Honestly some of the bollocks being spouted here…

I can absolutely see why the OP has found this distressing, and I always roll my eyes when someone on here says “if you have nothing to hide then you won’t mind being reported to social services,” I think every one of us would.

But the fact is that social services are damned if they do and damned if they don’t. They have absolutely no way of knowing that the OP’s child has developed bruising in an unusual place purely innocently. None what so ever.

And while any child who ends up dead because nothing was done quickly enough is a tragedy, you only have to look at the numbers of children in care to know that it simply isn’t true that genuine cases aren’t investigated. They are.

Whatswhatwhichiswhich · 05/08/2023 11:35

Being professional working parents means jack shit, you’re just as capable of abusing your children as someone in a non professional job. You may have disliked it but bruising on thighs is a big indicator of abuse and the fact that this was taken so seriously is a brilliant thing.

Jellyx · 05/08/2023 11:36

Treesandrivers · 05/08/2023 11:35

All this citizens reporting citizens.

We needed to push back years ago so there weren’t reporting requirements. Now we should campaign to get them removed.

SS is like a sniper attack. Keeps everyone in fear because we know that the few hits are random and devastating.

Hard for judges. They aren’t allowed to take into account the risks and poor outcomes of the care system.

How is it random? They act on referrals by members of the public, nurseries who share concerns.

They're not knocking on randoms doors. They have to receive a referral from somewhere first!

Jellyx · 05/08/2023 11:36

Whatswhatwhichiswhich · 05/08/2023 11:35

Being professional working parents means jack shit, you’re just as capable of abusing your children as someone in a non professional job. You may have disliked it but bruising on thighs is a big indicator of abuse and the fact that this was taken so seriously is a brilliant thing.

Couldn't agree more!

Jellycatspyjamas · 05/08/2023 11:36

The nursery manager told me she went home and cried when I told her they'd started a section 47 investigation, as she knew we wouldn't have hurt him and she felt awful about what we were subsequently having to go through.

That’s a nonsense, the referral from nursery to social work is what prompted the investigation process, the referral is raised because the nursery have concerns - if they had no concern they had no reason to raise it so either the nursery manager has no understanding of safeguarding and referral processes or she’s lying to you. What did she think would happen?

I’d request a copy of the referral paperwork - I think you’ll find your answer there.

Jellyx · 05/08/2023 11:37

Treesandrivers · 05/08/2023 11:35

All this citizens reporting citizens.

We needed to push back years ago so there weren’t reporting requirements. Now we should campaign to get them removed.

SS is like a sniper attack. Keeps everyone in fear because we know that the few hits are random and devastating.

Hard for judges. They aren’t allowed to take into account the risks and poor outcomes of the care system.

Are you encouraging people to never report any suspected abuse? Wow.

RudsyFarmer · 05/08/2023 11:37

It sounds absolutely horrendous OP and I think you have every right to feel traumatised.

crapactually · 05/08/2023 11:37

Morbihanmum33 · 05/08/2023 11:32

I do understand Social Services have an important job to do. Like everyone I get so distressed whenever I hear of the cases that have been missed and there's been an horrific outcome.

We think we know what happened re the bruising - it seems 2 year old tripped and fell onto a kids bike lying on the lawn, during the melee of a kids party in our garden. 7 year old scooped him up, gave him a cuddle and off he went again. He didn't make much of a fuss, and 7 year old didn't tell us at the time.

Nursery told us they had a statutory duty to report it as it was unexplained. The nursery manager told me she went home and cried when I told her they'd started a section 47 investigation, as she knew we wouldn't have hurt him and she felt awful about what we were subsequently having to go through.

I find the whole 'unexplained' thing curious. Surely people who abuse their kids come up with a 'cover story' to stop them getting found out? It feels like we were severely punished for holding our hands up, being honest and saying 'sorry, we don't know what happened, he's an active 2 year old'. If there's any lesson for me in this, it's if I should ever spot another bruise and I'm unsure about where it's come from, I'll be sure to make up a plausible explanation and lie to the authorities.

I don't have a problem with social services giving us a call, or paying a visit to our house. But I believe the decision to start a Section 47 investigation seems completely disproportionate when there are no background issues or history with 14 years of parenting behind us, the nursery referral saying they didn't think it was suspicious, and on day 1 Drs saying no evidence of non-accidental injury. I can't understand why there was no initial assessment as per guidance,
and why instead a decision was made to drag our other 3 children and their schools into this, and put us through weeks of stress and worry.

To proceed to S47 wouldn't have been a social services decision in isolation though.
They would have held a strategy discussion which would also have been attended by police and healthcare at a minimum. Sometimes they'll also invite other professionals such as schools and childcare. I used to attend these in a previous role.

Parents are rightly not invited to this meeting, it is professionals only.

At that meeting they would discuss the situation and any evidence and background available and each professional would give a view on whether it met threshold. So the majority of the attendees felt this met threshold for investigation.

Museya15 · 05/08/2023 11:37

Jellycatspyjamas · 05/08/2023 11:31

They did it because they like to go after professional people rather than the kids parents that get reported all the time and after one report don't bother to follow up the rest as they're from a sink estate and so the kid continues to be abused.

A quick look at any social workers case load would show that not to be the case at all.

Yep and the ones who have the most complaints against them from the local tower block are right at the bottom of the pile whereby little Eduardo with no history who's from a well priced house in the area whose parents are professionals, yep phonecall within the hour. Police are the exact same.