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AIBU to be angry we were subjected to Social Services Section 47 Investigation?

733 replies

Morbihanmum33 · 05/08/2023 10:13

Long post - sorry: My husband and I have 4 children, 14, 11, 7 & 2. No prior involvement with social services whatsoever. No ‘risk factors’ - criminal records / addiction issues / mental health problems / domestic violence / no issues at schools. Both of us have enhanced DBS. Professional jobs.

Our family recently had to endure the considerable distress and intrusion of a Section 47 child protection investigation.

Our 2 year old had light bruising across his thighs. Both my husband and I saw it but did not know how he’d done it. We flagged it when we took him to nursery, he is very active, trying to keep up with his bigger brothers. In the last 6 months at nursery, the nursery has filed 6 accident reports for incidents in their care, so they know what he’s like.

They rang me to tell me they had a statutory duty to report the bruises as they were unexplained and on a part of his body not normally associated with bruising. However, they assured me it was routine and nothing to worry about. They told me they made it clear on the referral that they did not believe we were responsible for the bruising.

The next morning a social worker called me and told me I had to take my son for a medical examination. This had to be done at the hospital - 45 mins away - immediately. I was due at work and had an important meeting so asked if it could be another time. I was told they could take my son into care if I did not go.

My son was given an examination by 2 doctors and I was interviewed at length. While waiting the social worker told me this was a Section 47 and that they would also have to see my other 3 children, and could go into their schools that same day if necessary to interview them! They also told me they had chosen not to involve the police at this stage!

The Drs found no evidence of non accidental injury. This was communicated to me and the SW at the time.

Despite this, the investigation still had to run its course over a number of weeks, with a visit to our home and interviews with the other 3 children, and them speaking to our GP and schools.

We all found the whole process deeply distressing and a total invasion of our privacy. I was fraught with worry the entire time. We were made to feel like criminals, with SS adopting a ‘guilty until proven innocent approach’. I’ve been left traumatised by the whole experience.

Having read up on this I understand that bruising in a non mobile infant under 6 months is always a major cause for concern, and some local authorities authorise automatic Section 47’s for referrals like this. However, government guidance is that (even with a non mobile infant) an initial enquiry or assessment should be made with the family before initiating an investigation.

Secondly, my child is fully mobile and the original referral explicitly said the bruising was not considered suspicious - so I do not understand why this was escalated in this way.

The cases (against all 4 of my children!) have been closed, but I’m so angry we were put through this. I also understand the fact an investigation was carried out will stay on file for a long time. I’m considering pursuing a judicial review on the basis an initial assessment should have been carried out and the lack of medical evidence did not warrant an investigation.

AIBU to feel like this - or should I just let it go?

OP posts:
Jellyx · 06/08/2023 00:26

MistressoftheDarkSide · 06/08/2023 00:25

If a SW doesn’t like you, they absolutely can have an agenda and influence over the other agencies involved, some of whom never see you or your child and will be working from reports made by the SW.

How insulting to other agencies - they are professionals and as responsible for making a decisions.

And why would a random social work be out against a family - so weird.

MistressoftheDarkSide · 06/08/2023 00:27

My case was 30 years ago. My view is based on my experience not skewed by it. Go back and read my posts.

Jellyx · 06/08/2023 00:28

MistressoftheDarkSide · 06/08/2023 00:25

If a SW doesn’t like you, they absolutely can have an agenda and influence over the other agencies involved, some of whom never see you or your child and will be working from reports made by the SW.

I've never thought about whether I like a family or not.
I'm not there to make friends 😕

I am there to make a fair assessment - of course I can be friendly, but whether you 'like' a family or not doesn't come into it.

Jellyx · 06/08/2023 00:29

MistressoftheDarkSide · 06/08/2023 00:27

My case was 30 years ago. My view is based on my experience not skewed by it. Go back and read my posts.

30 years is a long time and sad to hear you and a poor experience. It may be worth retrieving your old reports and looking at the circumstances recorded whilst you are an adult.

MistressoftheDarkSide · 06/08/2023 00:30

Excuse me? I was an adult then. I have my bundles.

Jellyx · 06/08/2023 00:34

MistressoftheDarkSide · 06/08/2023 00:30

Excuse me? I was an adult then. I have my bundles.

Oh that was an assumption - sorry.

I don't think it's fair to assume this family been treated poorly. There are very clear guidelines and legal responsibilities here. From what was described - it was followed very well and we should be thankful no abuse was found and professionals did a thorough job.

JMSA · 06/08/2023 00:34

God, that is the stuff of nightmares.

Hope you're ok Flowers

MistressoftheDarkSide · 06/08/2023 00:37

Oh and poor experience is an understatement. It was utterly traumatic. And not helped by a SW who was absolutely determined to find nothing positive about me whatsoever and who tried to get the GAL investigated for recommending rehabilitation, tried her hardest to get me prosecuted even after the police bowed out, and got chewed over by the judge at the final hearing when she tried to get my son Criminal Injuries Compensation even though he was coming home. Tell me that SW didn’t have an agenda .

Jellyx · 06/08/2023 00:38

JMSA · 06/08/2023 00:34

God, that is the stuff of nightmares.

Hope you're ok Flowers

Why is it a nightmare that professionals cares about the safety of the child?
The abuse could have been perpetrated by 1 parent (without the other knowing) or by an extended family member /friend.

Although distressing parents should be thankful this was thoroughly investigated and that the child's safety (not their feelings) was the primary consideration.

Jellyx · 06/08/2023 00:39

MistressoftheDarkSide · 06/08/2023 00:37

Oh and poor experience is an understatement. It was utterly traumatic. And not helped by a SW who was absolutely determined to find nothing positive about me whatsoever and who tried to get the GAL investigated for recommending rehabilitation, tried her hardest to get me prosecuted even after the police bowed out, and got chewed over by the judge at the final hearing when she tried to get my son Criminal Injuries Compensation even though he was coming home. Tell me that SW didn’t have an agenda .

I've not seen your paperwork so I don't know. Social workers don't act in isolation so even if you got a 'bad' one (as there are rubbish workers in EVERY job) there's so much oversight and multiagency work (at least these days) it's seems impossible how this would happen.

MistressoftheDarkSide · 06/08/2023 00:41

The OP has said they understand and accept the process. They co-operated. They want to know all the information that contributed to the prolonged investigation after a doctor said it wasn’t NAI. That is a reasonable request.

Jellyx · 06/08/2023 00:42

MistressoftheDarkSide · 06/08/2023 00:41

The OP has said they understand and accept the process. They co-operated. They want to know all the information that contributed to the prolonged investigation after a doctor said it wasn’t NAI. That is a reasonable request.

Sure - but common sense and reading the guidance /law would probably offer that.

MistressoftheDarkSide · 06/08/2023 00:43

Yes, yes it seems impossible. But I have the paperwork and it’s there in black and white. Honestly you couldn’t make this shit up.

Jellyx · 06/08/2023 00:45

Do people think there's 1 worker to 1 case. Information gathering and setting up appointments ,and writing notes, and waiting on information from other professionals , speaking with your senior all takes time..and when you have over 30
Children on your caseload (with frequent crisis you can't plan for) it's a miracle it only took a couple of weeks.

Titicacacandle · 06/08/2023 00:46

There's around 80,000 children in care in England. 80,000 children that didn't fall through the cracks.

Jellyx · 06/08/2023 00:47

Titicacacandle · 06/08/2023 00:46

There's around 80,000 children in care in England. 80,000 children that didn't fall through the cracks.

And more who are being looked after by extended family and more who were rehabbed home to families or even more where early intervention took place and 'care' wasn't necesscary.

MistressoftheDarkSide · 06/08/2023 00:48

It’s fine, I get it. SS right, disgruntled parent wrong. All investigations are carried out to the letter of the law and best practice and there are a few bad apples in every barrel. Same as it ever was, and t’will always be thus.

Jellyx · 06/08/2023 00:49

Jellyx · 06/08/2023 00:45

Do people think there's 1 worker to 1 case. Information gathering and setting up appointments ,and writing notes, and waiting on information from other professionals , speaking with your senior all takes time..and when you have over 30
Children on your caseload (with frequent crisis you can't plan for) it's a miracle it only took a couple of weeks.

Oh and throw in doing 'duty days' , taking a day off to look after your own child, sickness etc (x times that by all other relevant professionals involved) - then you're looking at weeks!!

Titicacacandle · 06/08/2023 00:52

Jellyx · 06/08/2023 00:47

And more who are being looked after by extended family and more who were rehabbed home to families or even more where early intervention took place and 'care' wasn't necesscary.

And that's not included Welsh and Scottish children.

Imagine any other profession with those kind of numbers as a 'success rate' compared to the very awfully sad but thankfully rare serious case reviews. They'd be applauded. Instead SWs are vilified for the actions of child abusers like they themselves are responsible for.

Jellyx · 06/08/2023 00:55

@Titicacacandle

It's so sad and frustrating and part of the reason why there is massive shortage of workers.

I've just left the job and off to a better paid much less stressful job! Sad to leave families have built a relationship with by my own health and children need to come first.

MistressoftheDarkSide · 06/08/2023 01:05

Did you know the UN are concerned about the high numbers of children in the system in the UK?

My LA (reasonably affluent town) has one of the highest numbers of looked after children in the country.

Did you know there is no centralised database of why children end up in the system? You’d think that the best way of addressing the causes of child abuse, and identifying anomalous cases would start with statistical analysis.

I wanted to find out how many cases countrywide involved metaphyseal fractures, see if there was a pattern of any kind. Couldn’t be done. Obviously I’m talking about anonymous data, not identifying the children.

The addition of “future risk of emotional harm” to the categories in the children’s act has seen proceedings rise too.

MistressoftheDarkSide · 06/08/2023 01:07

So the system is breaking dedicated SWs and some of the families they support.

Ergo the system needs an overhaul.

Jellyx · 06/08/2023 01:10

MistressoftheDarkSide · 06/08/2023 01:07

So the system is breaking dedicated SWs and some of the families they support.

Ergo the system needs an overhaul.

Oh it does - in terms of pay, workload, how staff are treated, how social workers are vilified in the media, what resources are available (I had to buy my own paper and colouring pens..), how the recording systems are terrible (slow, always crash and about 30years old) etc etc etc

LifeLoatheItOrIgnoreItYouCantLikeIt · 06/08/2023 01:10

3 years. I had social workers in my life for 3 years. Due to my exs frequent allegations I had multiple investigations, including police investigations (and police interviews). Countless SW meetings, child protection, intrusive comments, SW visiting my home regularly etc etc etc. And at no point whatsoever do I resent the social workers for doing their job with regards to a duty of care to my children. Please don't begrudge a few weeks worth of investigation, no matter what stress it caused you, because in some cases that might save a child's life.

Jellyx · 06/08/2023 01:11

MistressoftheDarkSide · 06/08/2023 01:05

Did you know the UN are concerned about the high numbers of children in the system in the UK?

My LA (reasonably affluent town) has one of the highest numbers of looked after children in the country.

Did you know there is no centralised database of why children end up in the system? You’d think that the best way of addressing the causes of child abuse, and identifying anomalous cases would start with statistical analysis.

I wanted to find out how many cases countrywide involved metaphyseal fractures, see if there was a pattern of any kind. Couldn’t be done. Obviously I’m talking about anonymous data, not identifying the children.

The addition of “future risk of emotional harm” to the categories in the children’s act has seen proceedings rise too.

There are clear statistics in Scotland regarding referrals - the overwhelming majority are in relation to neglect rather than physical or any other abuse.