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AIBU to be angry we were subjected to Social Services Section 47 Investigation?

733 replies

Morbihanmum33 · 05/08/2023 10:13

Long post - sorry: My husband and I have 4 children, 14, 11, 7 & 2. No prior involvement with social services whatsoever. No ‘risk factors’ - criminal records / addiction issues / mental health problems / domestic violence / no issues at schools. Both of us have enhanced DBS. Professional jobs.

Our family recently had to endure the considerable distress and intrusion of a Section 47 child protection investigation.

Our 2 year old had light bruising across his thighs. Both my husband and I saw it but did not know how he’d done it. We flagged it when we took him to nursery, he is very active, trying to keep up with his bigger brothers. In the last 6 months at nursery, the nursery has filed 6 accident reports for incidents in their care, so they know what he’s like.

They rang me to tell me they had a statutory duty to report the bruises as they were unexplained and on a part of his body not normally associated with bruising. However, they assured me it was routine and nothing to worry about. They told me they made it clear on the referral that they did not believe we were responsible for the bruising.

The next morning a social worker called me and told me I had to take my son for a medical examination. This had to be done at the hospital - 45 mins away - immediately. I was due at work and had an important meeting so asked if it could be another time. I was told they could take my son into care if I did not go.

My son was given an examination by 2 doctors and I was interviewed at length. While waiting the social worker told me this was a Section 47 and that they would also have to see my other 3 children, and could go into their schools that same day if necessary to interview them! They also told me they had chosen not to involve the police at this stage!

The Drs found no evidence of non accidental injury. This was communicated to me and the SW at the time.

Despite this, the investigation still had to run its course over a number of weeks, with a visit to our home and interviews with the other 3 children, and them speaking to our GP and schools.

We all found the whole process deeply distressing and a total invasion of our privacy. I was fraught with worry the entire time. We were made to feel like criminals, with SS adopting a ‘guilty until proven innocent approach’. I’ve been left traumatised by the whole experience.

Having read up on this I understand that bruising in a non mobile infant under 6 months is always a major cause for concern, and some local authorities authorise automatic Section 47’s for referrals like this. However, government guidance is that (even with a non mobile infant) an initial enquiry or assessment should be made with the family before initiating an investigation.

Secondly, my child is fully mobile and the original referral explicitly said the bruising was not considered suspicious - so I do not understand why this was escalated in this way.

The cases (against all 4 of my children!) have been closed, but I’m so angry we were put through this. I also understand the fact an investigation was carried out will stay on file for a long time. I’m considering pursuing a judicial review on the basis an initial assessment should have been carried out and the lack of medical evidence did not warrant an investigation.

AIBU to feel like this - or should I just let it go?

OP posts:
Thebirdhouse · 05/08/2023 22:44

I regularly speak to a SW off the record. She is constantly saying that the SWs in her area, are all new and inexperienced. They jump headfirst into cases and pull out all the stops because they are inexperienced. At times she has cried to me about how difficult it is to train and work with them, because they come to her telling her they know all the answers and refuse to either accept help or take advice from their seniors. She calls them generation Z. Everyone of them apparently knows more than she does.

I wonder OP, if you had the misfortune for your son's case to land on an inexperienced SW's desk?

Mischance · 05/08/2023 22:44

Thigh bruising is a red flag. The SWs had no choice.

Jellyx · 05/08/2023 22:45

Thebirdhouse · 05/08/2023 22:44

I regularly speak to a SW off the record. She is constantly saying that the SWs in her area, are all new and inexperienced. They jump headfirst into cases and pull out all the stops because they are inexperienced. At times she has cried to me about how difficult it is to train and work with them, because they come to her telling her they know all the answers and refuse to either accept help or take advice from their seniors. She calls them generation Z. Everyone of them apparently knows more than she does.

I wonder OP, if you had the misfortune for your son's case to land on an inexperienced SW's desk?

New social workers are not permitted to take on Child Protection cases.

Your friend sounds judgemental and very unsupportive.

HarrietJet · 05/08/2023 22:47

Thebirdhouse · 05/08/2023 22:44

I regularly speak to a SW off the record. She is constantly saying that the SWs in her area, are all new and inexperienced. They jump headfirst into cases and pull out all the stops because they are inexperienced. At times she has cried to me about how difficult it is to train and work with them, because they come to her telling her they know all the answers and refuse to either accept help or take advice from their seniors. She calls them generation Z. Everyone of them apparently knows more than she does.

I wonder OP, if you had the misfortune for your son's case to land on an inexperienced SW's desk?

Are you suggesting a sw with more experience would not have seen any cause for investigation, in this instance?

Jellyx · 05/08/2023 22:49

@Thebirdhouse

As it's been said a few times in the thread- it's a multiagency decision - made by SENIORS (very experienced worker) in police AND health AND social work.
Child Protection cases wouldn't come near a new inexperienced worker.

Jellyx · 05/08/2023 22:51

@Thebirdhouse
Also - really tired of the slating of the younger generation - I mean..who raised them Blush

So judgemental to tar them all with the same brush - I've worked worth all ages and competency and professionalism doesn't equate with age.

How horrible of your friend to be so judgemental -
Sounds like she needs to leave the job!

Thebirdhouse · 05/08/2023 22:52

I am suggesting that an experienced SW would not have taken it as far. Yes. The doctors examination may have resolved it. They would not have threatened to take the child into care because a woman, who they have previously, had no contact whatsoever with, did not realise that when they called, she had to drop everything immediately.

And yes I think when somebody has thirty years experience with dealing with families, they can trust their judgement, more than somebody who has been in the role for a couple of years.

Mollymalone123 · 05/08/2023 22:57

It must be a truly awful upsetting experience to have to go through this but we don’t know how many other babies haves potentially been saved by this practice either. We only hear the horrific suffering of those children who died.I would rather too many investigations than not enough

Tanith · 05/08/2023 23:02

I think most parents would be appalled if they knew what Early Years and schools are obliged to record and report about them and their children.
They are now trying to make it an offence not to report.

HeidioftheAlps · 05/08/2023 23:08

Tanith · 05/08/2023 23:02

I think most parents would be appalled if they knew what Early Years and schools are obliged to record and report about them and their children.
They are now trying to make it an offence not to report.

That's interesting. What sort of things? Just intrigued.

MistressoftheDarkSide · 05/08/2023 23:32

Easy to say you’re all cool with being investigated for the greater good even if you’re “innocent” of wrong doing until you can’t prove it and have your life turned upside down for potentially years on “the balance of probabilities” and expert opinions based on dogma or standards set in place decades ago that don’t reflect modern life.

There has to be a common sense approach somewhere that doesn’t let abused children slip through the net, or through SS fingers when they are involved, but also doesn’t waste limited resources and traumatise families needlessly. Following proper procedures would be a start.

Polik · 05/08/2023 23:38

HeidioftheAlps · 05/08/2023 23:08

That's interesting. What sort of things? Just intrigued.

The short answer is - loads.

It's published online what schools are required to monitor, keep records on and act on. Google: Keeping Children Safe in Education. It's a very big document. Appendix 1 and 2 might be a good summary to give an overview to answer your question.

Jellyx · 05/08/2023 23:41

MistressoftheDarkSide · 05/08/2023 23:32

Easy to say you’re all cool with being investigated for the greater good even if you’re “innocent” of wrong doing until you can’t prove it and have your life turned upside down for potentially years on “the balance of probabilities” and expert opinions based on dogma or standards set in place decades ago that don’t reflect modern life.

There has to be a common sense approach somewhere that doesn’t let abused children slip through the net, or through SS fingers when they are involved, but also doesn’t waste limited resources and traumatise families needlessly. Following proper procedures would be a start.

@MistressoftheDarkSide
They did follow proper procedures. And no- there's no magic process. But if you can come up with one that identifies abusers without a proper invesitagation then please share.
Social work would LOVE to be able to reduce their work loads- thanksss

Jellycatspyjamas · 06/08/2023 00:04

I am suggesting that an experienced SW would not have taken it as far. Yes. The doctors examination may have resolved it. They would not have threatened to take the child into care because a woman, who they have previously, had no contact whatsoever with, did not realise that when they called, she had to drop everything immediately.

It takes time to gain the experience needed to know when to let something sit and when to follow it up.

The reality is if a parent won’t make themselves available to attend a forensic medical examination we can ask the court to order the examination and if necessary to make safe care arrangements to facilitate the exam. Medical exams are time sensitive for a reason - how does a social worker know a parent genuinely has somewhere else they need to be -v- trying to delay a medical exam to try and fudge the outcomes of the exam, because we deal with both situations regularly. Imagine the headlines if a child died and the social worker had allowed a medical examination to be delayed because the parent said they had a meeting.

MistressoftheDarkSide · 06/08/2023 00:10

@Jellyx

Well, let’s see shall we?

First define “proper investigation” because nowhere have I said concerns shouldn’t be investigated.

If a doctor told the OP and the SW that in their professional opinion the bruises in question here were not indicative of NAI, and there were no other concerns, why did they continue to investigate for several weeks? This is what the OP wants to know.

There is a lack of proportion being applied in some cases.

Child protection is carried out on the balance of probabilities.

The system is complex and often procedures are not communicated clearly to parents.

People have explained their experiences here - should SWs be telling their clients that they think everything they say is a lie?

Should SWs be consistent figures in the lives of their clients or is it ok to have constant change?

Should basic information be recorded correctly?

Should CP conference minutes be provided within the time allotted or delivered months late - I know that this has happened.

I absolutely acknowledge it’s complicated and fraught with emotion, however until there is an analysis of why some cases get overkill and some are neglected, nothing will improve and the best interests of the child will still be overlooked.

As I’ve said, until you find yourself in the system as an accused parent it’s hard to believe that SS can get it so wrong at both ends of the spectrum.

And sorry to say, but sometimes it is down to individual SWs on a mission with agendas of their own.

Easy to assume all the parents who complain are liars refusing to face their shortcomings - sometimes the system fucks up monumentally and those cases should be investigated too, in the best interests of all children.

Jellyx · 06/08/2023 00:14

@MistressoftheDarkSide

  1. a medical is not fool proof
  2. seeking the siblings views is essential to get a whole family picture
  3. ideally the same worker for the whole family who may not have capacity to do it all on 1 day or 1 week (extremely high caseloads) and it's possible the siblings were not available immediately
MistressoftheDarkSide · 06/08/2023 00:15

Also would the OP have flagged the bruises in question with the nursery if they had anything to hide?

Thebirdhouse · 06/08/2023 00:16

It takes time to gain the experience needed to know when to let something sit and when to follow it up.

Gosh. You don’t say. . Well that is really the crux of it.

OP You should certainly make a formal complaint. If nothing else, it will be take hours of time to reply to and can be used as a learning opportunity for the person who led your case.

And sorry to say, but sometimes it is down to individual SWs on a mission with agendas of their own

Absolutely this is certainly an issue according to the very experienced SW I know.

Jellyx · 06/08/2023 00:19

@MistressoftheDarkSide
The child protection meeting are chaired independent from the social worker and a seperate person takes minutes. The social worker doing the assessment has no control over that.

If things are late I suspect it is because of the extremely high case loads or a person being off sick (high sickness from stress in the job)

Social workers would love to be able to offer a quicker service but unfortunately are left drowning in cases and are subject to the law and guidance.

An unexplained injury , on a thigh or a 2 year old warrants a thorough investigation and one, thankfully, was undertaken.

A parents distress is acknowledged BUT decisions and actions are taken on what is best for the child. The child's welfare is paramount!! (Literally written in law in parts of the UK).

I won't avoid doing an investigation because parents will be upset and I certainly wouldn't have an assessment based ONLY on a medical and have it done in 1 week given the concerns and risks already mentioned.

Jellyx · 06/08/2023 00:21

@MistressoftheDarkSide
AND child protection cases are closed off when agreed by social work AND police AND health - and sorry- but all those seniors are not available only to 1 case. So- understandably decisions are not made in the space of a week.

Jellyx · 06/08/2023 00:21

Thebirdhouse · 06/08/2023 00:16

It takes time to gain the experience needed to know when to let something sit and when to follow it up.

Gosh. You don’t say. . Well that is really the crux of it.

OP You should certainly make a formal complaint. If nothing else, it will be take hours of time to reply to and can be used as a learning opportunity for the person who led your case.

And sorry to say, but sometimes it is down to individual SWs on a mission with agendas of their own

Absolutely this is certainly an issue according to the very experienced SW I know.

I want to bang my head off a wall here.
Child protection cases are multi-agency so no 1 person can have an agenda!!

MistressoftheDarkSide · 06/08/2023 00:23

Fucks sake. I. Have. Been. Through. The. System.

RT.F.T.

I am not talking out of my arse here.

Jellyx · 06/08/2023 00:24

If something the medical did not produce evidence of abuse - but it was later found to be abuse (as is perfectly possible!!) you would all be up in arms going ''omg why didn't they speak to the siblings, omg why did the close it after 1 day?!''

Some people really don't seem able to think properly.

Jellyx · 06/08/2023 00:25

MistressoftheDarkSide · 06/08/2023 00:23

Fucks sake. I. Have. Been. Through. The. System.

RT.F.T.

I am not talking out of my arse here.

And I have been in child protection work for almost a decade. So, your view might be skewed from you experience.

MistressoftheDarkSide · 06/08/2023 00:25

If a SW doesn’t like you, they absolutely can have an agenda and influence over the other agencies involved, some of whom never see you or your child and will be working from reports made by the SW.

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