Page 14 | to still book our DS (16) as a 15 year old at a Premier Inn?

VioletOrange · 2023-08-02T08:49:21+00:00

I’m probably going to get a flaming for this but here goes. We only have DS, he can’t stay in a PI by himself until he’s 18. If we booked him in as an adult, as he’s classed as one now he’s 16, we’d have to pay for another room. So for now, while we can still just about get away with it, we book him in as a child stating he’s 15. In one PI where we’ve stayed many times over the years, a couple of the regular staff are aware but they’re ok with this. He doesn’t get up for breakfast so doesn’t benefit from the ‘kids eat free’ deal. AIBU to carry on doing this for as long as we can get away with it? Not that he’ll likely still want to come away with us in the next few years. My personal opinion is that on the one hand they class 18+ as adults but want to charge a 16 year old adult prices.

BlastedIce · 03/08/2023 14:41

Lovemusic33 · 03/08/2023 14:35

I lie about DC’s ages often, have done for holidays and travel lodge/premier inn, also for train and bus tickets……oh and national trust entry (both dc are down as under 16’s on our m membership card). I’m sure everyone does it? Or almost everyone? 😉. It annoys me that over 16 is classed as an adult when really it should be 18.

Exactly this! Why are these greedy companies saying 16 is an adult.

The school leaving age has been raised so these “adults” cannot even work to pay for the additional room. They are also not allowed to book a room on their own until they are 18!

so quite honestly they’re greedy fuckers and deserve everything they get!

of course because they’ve got the monopoly of cheap end hotels, they’re difficult to avoid.

But all you holier than thou people stuck up them, because they’re not immoral are they?

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VioletOrange · 03/08/2023 14:44

Bumpitybumper · 03/08/2023 14:35

Do you generally think it's morally ok to steal from rich people? Does the fact that they have loads of money make it all ok? Such a weird way to justify your actions. If you're doing something that's morally ok then it's ok no matter who the victim is. If you wouldn't be happy to do it to someone worse off then on some level you know it isn't the right thing to do and therefore you shouldn't be doing it at all.

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These large hotel chains don’t have any morals when it comes to hiking prices up during the school holidays do they? Knowing that we can’t do a thing about it! So in this regard I don’t suppose I have any morals either. Shoot me now.

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Bumpitybumper · 03/08/2023 14:45

BlastedIce · 03/08/2023 14:37

Sorry no I disagree with this, it’s been said the whole way through the thread.

Greedy shareholders, making ridiculous “rules” based on profiteering are far play to dodge their systems.

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You do understand that a business isn't 'profiteering' if they just happen to charge more for a product or service than you would like to pay. The rules aren't objectively ridiculous and there is a clear commercial rationale as to why a hotel wouldn't want more then two people over 16 years of age sharing a room. Plenty of hotels do allow this and you are totally free to book with them instead or indeed use an Air BnB or serviced apartment if you can't find a hotel in the right area that meets your needs. Alas no, instead you choose to pretend that PI are somehow the sole provider of holiday accommodation and therefore deserve to be stolen from if they won't change their rules to meet your demands.

BlastedIce · 03/08/2023 14:46

Bumpitybumper · 03/08/2023 14:35

Do you generally think it's morally ok to steal from rich people? Does the fact that they have loads of money make it all ok? Such a weird way to justify your actions. If you're doing something that's morally ok then it's ok no matter who the victim is. If you wouldn't be happy to do it to someone worse off then on some level you know it isn't the right thing to do and therefore you shouldn't be doing it at all.

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These rich people have this rule…..

if you are over 16 you cannot stay in a family room and must have your own room.

If you are under 17 you must remain in FT education or apprenticeship, you won’t be earning much if anything, but you are deemed an adult by PI, so must pay for a separate room? But only if an accompanied by a parent or guardian, who must be in a different room.

if you are under 18 you cannot book a room at PI

You think these are decent shareholders? Really? They make an enormous profit and still want more and more and more!

Greed is an ugly thing!

BlastedIce · 03/08/2023 14:47

Bumpitybumper · 03/08/2023 14:45

You do understand that a business isn't 'profiteering' if they just happen to charge more for a product or service than you would like to pay. The rules aren't objectively ridiculous and there is a clear commercial rationale as to why a hotel wouldn't want more then two people over 16 years of age sharing a room. Plenty of hotels do allow this and you are totally free to book with them instead or indeed use an Air BnB or serviced apartment if you can't find a hotel in the right area that meets your needs. Alas no, instead you choose to pretend that PI are somehow the sole provider of holiday accommodation and therefore deserve to be stolen from if they won't change their rules to meet your demands.

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Explain why you think those kind of “rules” are morally correct, I’m waiting…

BlastedIce · 03/08/2023 14:48

Bumpitybumper · 03/08/2023 14:45

You do understand that a business isn't 'profiteering' if they just happen to charge more for a product or service than you would like to pay. The rules aren't objectively ridiculous and there is a clear commercial rationale as to why a hotel wouldn't want more then two people over 16 years of age sharing a room. Plenty of hotels do allow this and you are totally free to book with them instead or indeed use an Air BnB or serviced apartment if you can't find a hotel in the right area that meets your needs. Alas no, instead you choose to pretend that PI are somehow the sole provider of holiday accommodation and therefore deserve to be stolen from if they won't change their rules to meet your demands.

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I’ve covered your other hotels comment before, I’ll carry on as I am, because PI deserve no respect for their attitude of greed.

Missingpup · 03/08/2023 14:48

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Missingpup · 03/08/2023 14:50

I don’t mindlessly follow rules just for the sake that they are rules.

a beautiful area of land where my children lived to explore was closed off to the public whilst the council considered what to do with it. I saw the signs, I looked at my children, I shrugged and over the fence we went.

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Civil disobedience for a good cause is hardly the same as defrauding a commercial business establishment that one isn't at all obliged to patronize if one doesn't like its terms.

Bumpitybumper · 03/08/2023 14:55

VioletOrange · 03/08/2023 14:44

These large hotel chains don’t have any morals when it comes to hiking prices up during the school holidays do they? Knowing that we can’t do a thing about it! So in this regard I don’t suppose I have any morals either. Shoot me now.

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The two things are not comparable at all. PI aren't a charity so why should they feel morally obliged to keep prices low in summer? PI will charge a price for the rooms that reflect the demand at a given time. That's how supply and demand works and you will notice almost all markets work this way. As long as PI have been transparent about their rates and haven't tried to decieve the customer then they have done nothing wrong.

You as a customer and are not obliged to stay at PI and can either pay what PI are asking or reject their rates and stay elsewhere or at a cheaper time of year. Instead though you want to deceive PI so that you can pay less than the advertised rates. Once a party starts to lie then it is a whole other ball game and it's where morals and ethics come into play.

EhrlicheFrau · 03/08/2023 14:56

OK, comparing those who follow the terms of booking a PI room is, in absolutely no way, comparable to anything which Nazis or Nazi supporters (I use the term loosely because some people had no option but to outwardly support) did regarding following rules. It's simply ridiculous to compare and does nothing to strengthen any point regarding this actual topic. I don't care if people 'bend' the rules regarding PI bookings, and have not insulted anyone for doing so, even though I personally wouldn't. I do also find it interesting where people draw the line with regard to what is 'stealing' and what isn't, but accept that we are all free to make our own choices and bear the consequences of those choices. 😬

BlastedIce · 03/08/2023 15:05

Bumpitybumper · 03/08/2023 14:55

The two things are not comparable at all. PI aren't a charity so why should they feel morally obliged to keep prices low in summer? PI will charge a price for the rooms that reflect the demand at a given time. That's how supply and demand works and you will notice almost all markets work this way. As long as PI have been transparent about their rates and haven't tried to decieve the customer then they have done nothing wrong.

You as a customer and are not obliged to stay at PI and can either pay what PI are asking or reject their rates and stay elsewhere or at a cheaper time of year. Instead though you want to deceive PI so that you can pay less than the advertised rates. Once a party starts to lie then it is a whole other ball game and it's where morals and ethics come into play.

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Not obliged too, but I will and I won’t line the shareholders pockets with unnecessary in my opinion charges.

You and the others sayings it’s wrong can continue, but then saying what else are we immoral about, calling as grifting mingers etc, is not acceptable. Acting like we have no ability to gauge a situation is wrong,

We have @ZeldaWillTellYourFortune telling us about her cousin and his work, like we’re interested and that it’s like some sort of moral story that we must read and be warned!

I’ll repeat again, I’d do it to PI in a heart beat but not to a small independent.

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VioletOrange · 03/08/2023 15:09

Bumpitybumper · 03/08/2023 14:55

The two things are not comparable at all. PI aren't a charity so why should they feel morally obliged to keep prices low in summer? PI will charge a price for the rooms that reflect the demand at a given time. That's how supply and demand works and you will notice almost all markets work this way. As long as PI have been transparent about their rates and haven't tried to decieve the customer then they have done nothing wrong.

You as a customer and are not obliged to stay at PI and can either pay what PI are asking or reject their rates and stay elsewhere or at a cheaper time of year. Instead though you want to deceive PI so that you can pay less than the advertised rates. Once a party starts to lie then it is a whole other ball game and it's where morals and ethics come into play.

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They are transparent with their hiking up of prices alongside every other hotel chain during school holidays, knowing none of us can do anything about it, they just can. Easy to advise going at another time of year, what to pay for two rooms instead of one, at inflated prices as it’s half term!

Of course they’re not a charity and neither am I.

If they were so affected by mine (and many other’s) actions then surely they’d insist on proof of age being required during booking? In the meantime, while they make it so easy for me to loosen my morals, then I suppose I’ll continue for as long as I can.

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Missingpup · 03/08/2023 15:09

ZeldaWillTellYourFortune · 03/08/2023 14:50

Civil disobedience for a good cause is hardly the same as defrauding a commercial business establishment that one isn't at all obliged to patronize if one doesn't like its terms.

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But you decides what a “good cause” is

Bumpitybumper · 03/08/2023 15:11

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I am actually shocked and completely disgusted that you would even think to compare someone attempting to underpay a hotel for their own personal gain with the Nazi's actions in the Halocaust. The two scenarios have literally nothing to do with each other.

This thread isn't about mindlessly following rules. As a society though we need rules we generally all abide by otherwise society would descend into chaos. Big ones like not murdering or hurting each other but smaller ones too around not stealing from people or organisations. If we take an ad hoc approach to some of these rules then things would quickly become unsafe and trust would be eroded if for example we couldn't trust an employer to pay us our wages or a shop to deliver something we had paid for. In my mind, the PI policy falls into this kind of category of rule in that PI have an obligation to be honest and transparent regarding their pricing and service they offer. In return we as consumers have an obligation to be honest about how we intend to use the service. If those two elements are in place than a commercial agreement can be in place that both parties are happy with. Once deceit creeps then this threatens the whole model.

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Missingpup · 03/08/2023 15:13

Bumpitybumper · 03/08/2023 15:11

I am actually shocked and completely disgusted that you would even think to compare someone attempting to underpay a hotel for their own personal gain with the Nazi's actions in the Halocaust. The two scenarios have literally nothing to do with each other.

This thread isn't about mindlessly following rules. As a society though we need rules we generally all abide by otherwise society would descend into chaos. Big ones like not murdering or hurting each other but smaller ones too around not stealing from people or organisations. If we take an ad hoc approach to some of these rules then things would quickly become unsafe and trust would be eroded if for example we couldn't trust an employer to pay us our wages or a shop to deliver something we had paid for. In my mind, the PI policy falls into this kind of category of rule in that PI have an obligation to be honest and transparent regarding their pricing and service they offer. In return we as consumers have an obligation to be honest about how we intend to use the service. If those two elements are in place than a commercial agreement can be in place that both parties are happy with. Once deceit creeps then this threatens the whole model.

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No but these posters are saying this “rule” is linked with morality and integrity

when that is quite plainly daft

geekone · 03/08/2023 15:16

FerretFumbler · 02/08/2023 09:58

Do they all know you are lying and taking advantage of a system to help families with younger children?

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The system isn’t to help people with younger children, it’s to entice more people to have breakfast there instead of going somewhere cheaper.

business don’t do anything to help, they do it for more custom.

SamW98 · 03/08/2023 15:18

geekone · 03/08/2023 15:16

The system isn’t to help people with younger children, it’s to entice more people to have breakfast there instead of going somewhere cheaper.

business don’t do anything to help, they do it for more custom.

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And the kids ‘free’ breakfast is built into the price which is high compared to nearby cafes etc.

They’re not giving away freebies out of the goodness of their charitable little hearts

Missingpup · 03/08/2023 15:19

Any benefits from the rules need to be balanced against the risks and disadvantages of keeping them in place

interesting stance you had on covid rules @Bumpitybumper

3Goldenmonkeys · 03/08/2023 15:27

OP - go for it.

The problem as I see it, is the double standards of many hotels. My son is almost 18, well over 6ft, with a deep voice but doesn’t look any older than he is. We haven’t lied about his age because I don’t think we’d get away with saying he’s younger or older.
We’ve recently used a PI and gone on a Jet2 city break. He’s not been allowed to have his own hotel room as under 18 so is a child but is has been allowed to share with us as it counts 3 adults.
We end up paying for two rooms (not a problem) but we have to lie and say that husband is staying in the room with him and I’m in a room on my own.

Bumpitybumper · 03/08/2023 15:29

Missingpup · 03/08/2023 15:19

Any benefits from the rules need to be balanced against the risks and disadvantages of keeping them in place

interesting stance you had on covid rules @Bumpitybumper

Is that supposed to be a gotcha? I don't see how that statement about government policy placing mandatory restrictions on people is relevant to a discussion about PI room rates.

Missingpup · 03/08/2023 15:37

Bumpitybumper · 03/08/2023 15:29

Is that supposed to be a gotcha? I don't see how that statement about government policy placing mandatory restrictions on people is relevant to a discussion about PI room rates.

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Cherry picking

Bumpitybumper · 03/08/2023 15:42

Missingpup · 03/08/2023 15:37

Cherry picking

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That is so ridiculous! You quote a statement I made about a specific set of rules regarding a pandemic and try to make out I was somehow commenting on all rules ever.