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Is this domestic abuse and what should I do?

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Feelingvulnerable1992 · 28/07/2023 17:47

My partner has a temper and is very opinionated. He has lost his job for the second time now, and a new employer during an interview asked if he is aware he clashes with people. He has never liked my mum, often jealous of our close relationship and the fact that I see her most days. He also used to gamble but has promised me he no longer does, he sought help for his temper and is on anti depressents and a wait list (2 years!) for an Asperger’s / mental health assessment.

long story short, he lost some important documents I’m not sure if they relate to gambling but he has used them for previous jobs. So he woke in a foul mood despite being really nice to be around the past few weeks on his new meds. When I came home (I had to get my car MOT because he doesn’t drive as yet) he had dressed our children in tracksuits. I only made a casual comment about ‘why have you put them in that for it’s sunny out!’ And he was so angry at me, he can’t take criticism it was just a passing comment. My mum was over and when she arrived she said the same thing oh he needs a t shirt on then she heard him going on and on at me that he had checked the weather and it wasn’t going to be warm later and basically going at me because of my mum saying it too. She came in the front room and said what’s wrong? I wasn’t blaming anyone just said he needs a t shirt and that’s when he exploded. Oh here she is getting herself involved again!! I’m his dad ! Keep your nose out of it!! She was so taken aback as had said it nicely to try help as could tell his in a foul mood. He shouted abuse at her and naturally she defended herself. It ended up with him calling her an interfering c*nt, making my children cry as he doesn’t just shout he was roaring. He threw my sons cup at my mum during the ‘row’ which smashed and luckily wasn’t glass. He then broke my phone charger and made a hole in the wall. I called his dad to ask to get him but he couldn’t so his mum then called me on what’s app and heard him going crazy. She was so upset saying calm down, please speak to me etc he refused to and said he won’t speak to his dad either as he doesn’t listen.

anyway I’ve text his parents since as I’ve removed myself and my children from the situation and staying at my mums. This isn’t the first time he has exploded and his temper is uncontrollable. His mother hasn’t replied to any of my texts addressing what his done wrong, she did call on what’s app saying sorry hope you are ok etc she is not sure what’s happening (as I said he needs help) how he was behaving it was like he should have been sectioned.

I’ve told him before if he ever disrespects my mum again it is over , my mum isn’t perfect but she did nothing wrong at all. Sometimes she does get involved with her opinion when maybe she could have left it but that’s the way she is and he knows that. He does hateful things like my mum cleans my cooker hob for me and asked my partner to not leave things on top of it and he then proceeds to make sure he always leaves things on it.

anyway I haven’t kept his short really but I know his parents are aware of his temper as he has been in trouble with it in the past and they aren’t replying to me as don’t want to risk not seeing their gran kids if we split up. So I know they will not be any support to me if anything was to happen.

ive Looked into domestic abuse, as he has smashed things in my home before, snatched my phone, threw a towel at me in his temper; grabbed my throat. All prior to having children and seeking support for his temper which I believe he had changed.

as I said he can be really nice and a great partner and dad but he has this temper issue.

it hasn’t crept up again until now and I know I can’t allow it in front of my children. If he reacts like this over losing a few documents how would he react in a real crisis? I also don’t want to kick him out and then he say it’s his word against mine etc. my main priority are my children and his mother would love to get a hand on my kids she is so controlling. She has already made sure her nephews children are with him and not the mother - she plays the system etc. so I want to make sure if anything did happen that I gave evidence. Is there anyone who could help me how to do this legally?

i love this man. I am hoping maybe he realises he has caused so much pain over nothing and that he has really upset his young children seeing him like this. I hope he seeks help or his parents get him help and he can learn to control his temper and be the lovely man I love and know and not have anymore of these break downs. I also know that this may not happen as most abusers blame rather than feel guilt etc. if he ever does anything like this again it’s over for my kids sake, although I know I’ve said this last time he verbally abused me and my mum. So I don’t want to be this weak woman who never leaves.

I also don’t want to just walk away without legal advice with my kids. And I also still really pray that maybe he can get the right help and be the lovely partner who I love when he isn’t in a temper. TIa please no judgey comments xx

OP posts:
Duckingella · 28/07/2023 19:15

I grew up in a home with an violent abusive father like your children's dad.

I saw my dad grabbed my mum and throttle her,I wet myself in fear,I thought my mum was going to die.That memory haunts me as a nearly 40 year adult.

Witnessing domestic violence and emotional and verbal abuse as a child never leaves you.My mum kicked my dad out for a year when I was 7;it was the best year of my life;she let him come back and he terrorised my family for the next decade.

I left at 18 to get away from the situation and I have a very fractured relationship with my mum 20 years on as he's still the same way towards her.

End your relationship;please don't continue living like this for your children's sake if not your own.

Chickenkeev · 28/07/2023 19:19

Duckingella · 28/07/2023 19:15

I grew up in a home with an violent abusive father like your children's dad.

I saw my dad grabbed my mum and throttle her,I wet myself in fear,I thought my mum was going to die.That memory haunts me as a nearly 40 year adult.

Witnessing domestic violence and emotional and verbal abuse as a child never leaves you.My mum kicked my dad out for a year when I was 7;it was the best year of my life;she let him come back and he terrorised my family for the next decade.

I left at 18 to get away from the situation and I have a very fractured relationship with my mum 20 years on as he's still the same way towards her.

End your relationship;please don't continue living like this for your children's sake if not your own.

I absolutely feel your pain x

Henhipster · 28/07/2023 19:22

Agree wholeheartedly.

Feelingvulnerable1992 · 28/07/2023 19:32

I didn’t mean to call anyone weak. I meant that’s what they refer to us as x

OP posts:
JanglyBeads · 28/07/2023 19:37

Every woman who's ever been abused has berated herself for being too "weak" to leave.

And most he haven't experienced abuse have wondered why "those women" didn't just leave.

Sickofchangingmyfuckingusername · 28/07/2023 19:38

You say you are lost…you are not. There is a bloody big sign saying GET RID OF THIS ANIMAL right in front of you. Do you realise that you describe his behaviour just like those aggressive dogs that are big softies until they are not.
The words ‘I hope’ appear several times in your post.I hope you wake the fuck up, understand that this man is damaged and your children are looking to you to be protected.

MillWood85 · 28/07/2023 19:41

That you can love this vile specimen of humanity is bewildering.

If DH ever threw anything at my Mum, he'd be gone. No negotiating.

In the nicest way, you're seeing him as the man you want him to be, not the man he is. Take off the rose tinted glasses and suddenly he won't appear so charming.

Chickenkeev · 28/07/2023 19:42

Sickofchangingmyfuckingusername · 28/07/2023 19:38

You say you are lost…you are not. There is a bloody big sign saying GET RID OF THIS ANIMAL right in front of you. Do you realise that you describe his behaviour just like those aggressive dogs that are big softies until they are not.
The words ‘I hope’ appear several times in your post.I hope you wake the fuck up, understand that this man is damaged and your children are looking to you to be protected.

That's an excellent point. 'I hope' is a hiding to nothing. You can't live for I hope.

TheCatterall · 28/07/2023 19:50

@Feelingvulnerable1992 imagine this from your oldest child’s perspective as they grow up in this environment.

walking on eggshells all the time because although dads happy today - you never know what or when he’ll be triggered.

my friend had a partner like yours and stayed because he wasn’t like this alllll the time. Just ‘occasional’ flare ups.

Her eldest son knew from age 7 to be careful of angering Dad. At 14 there was a minor incident - he found money in way home and bought sweets to share with his younger sisters. When his dad found out he lost the plot at him spending it. It was £5. He had him pinned against the wall screaming in his face. Throwing cups. In front of the younger kids and my friend who was too scared to physically step in. He ended up punching the lad.

The lad told a teacher the next day. They told social workers. Dad had to leave home for a while but was allowed back after a month or two. :/ son left home as soon as possible and is now no contact with my friend as she didn’t support or protect him or leave her husband.

Do not become that woman staying and hoping he’ll magically decide to change. Staying and teaching the kids that they have to tiptoe around the angry ogre.

Why should he change when your actions show you will go back and forgive time and time again. Next time he’ll be leaving bruises.

Chickenkeev · 28/07/2023 19:53

TheCatterall · 28/07/2023 19:50

@Feelingvulnerable1992 imagine this from your oldest child’s perspective as they grow up in this environment.

walking on eggshells all the time because although dads happy today - you never know what or when he’ll be triggered.

my friend had a partner like yours and stayed because he wasn’t like this alllll the time. Just ‘occasional’ flare ups.

Her eldest son knew from age 7 to be careful of angering Dad. At 14 there was a minor incident - he found money in way home and bought sweets to share with his younger sisters. When his dad found out he lost the plot at him spending it. It was £5. He had him pinned against the wall screaming in his face. Throwing cups. In front of the younger kids and my friend who was too scared to physically step in. He ended up punching the lad.

The lad told a teacher the next day. They told social workers. Dad had to leave home for a while but was allowed back after a month or two. :/ son left home as soon as possible and is now no contact with my friend as she didn’t support or protect him or leave her husband.

Do not become that woman staying and hoping he’ll magically decide to change. Staying and teaching the kids that they have to tiptoe around the angry ogre.

Why should he change when your actions show you will go back and forgive time and time again. Next time he’ll be leaving bruises.

This is it. And the damage it does to kids is immeasurable.

namechangenacy · 28/07/2023 19:54

Read the first paragraph. This is abuse. Run run run baby run

JanglyBeads · 28/07/2023 19:55

Yeah cos it's dead easy to walk out on a relationship with kids isn't it?

Stop getting at the OP!

Not RTFT but I hope someone's suggested ringing Women's Aid to talk it through with them. They won't judge but will help you decide what's the best course of action for you and the kids OP.

Chestnutlover · 28/07/2023 19:56

OP google walkers cycle of abuse

Bb234 · 28/07/2023 19:56

TheCatterall · 28/07/2023 19:50

@Feelingvulnerable1992 imagine this from your oldest child’s perspective as they grow up in this environment.

walking on eggshells all the time because although dads happy today - you never know what or when he’ll be triggered.

my friend had a partner like yours and stayed because he wasn’t like this alllll the time. Just ‘occasional’ flare ups.

Her eldest son knew from age 7 to be careful of angering Dad. At 14 there was a minor incident - he found money in way home and bought sweets to share with his younger sisters. When his dad found out he lost the plot at him spending it. It was £5. He had him pinned against the wall screaming in his face. Throwing cups. In front of the younger kids and my friend who was too scared to physically step in. He ended up punching the lad.

The lad told a teacher the next day. They told social workers. Dad had to leave home for a while but was allowed back after a month or two. :/ son left home as soon as possible and is now no contact with my friend as she didn’t support or protect him or leave her husband.

Do not become that woman staying and hoping he’ll magically decide to change. Staying and teaching the kids that they have to tiptoe around the angry ogre.

Why should he change when your actions show you will go back and forgive time and time again. Next time he’ll be leaving bruises.

This has made me so upset to read 😞

GrannyAchingsShepherdsHut · 28/07/2023 20:07

He's had far more chances from you than he deserves. He's not a good man, he's not a good dad, he's an abusive, dangerous arsehole.

Call the police, report the assault on your Mum, report all the historic abuse he's subjected you to, and speak to Women's Aid about how to get the fuck away from him and safeguard your children. They don't have a choice about living with him, it's you that's deciding that for them, please make the right decision.

Chickenkeev · 28/07/2023 20:17

Bb234 · 28/07/2023 19:56

This has made me so upset to read 😞

I cannot hammer this point home enough. The terror as a child in the home when parents are fighting is awful. It affects every part of you, for every part of your life going forward. It's fucking hideous. The scars are there forever. The myth of the two parent family is the biggest sack of shit i've ever come across. One good parent is a million times better than two warring ones.

HaventTheyGrown · 28/07/2023 20:32

He sounds an absolute nightmare.
What a terrible example to your children. If you have sons this will be them in a few years, if you have daughters they will think this toxic relationship is normal and end up in the same mess.

I absolutely wouldn't tolerate it. He has serious anger issues and sounds a nasty violent bully. He will just leave a never ending trail of destruction, he can't even hold down a job. This is no way to live.
Ring Women's Aid, they will help you.

Hibiscrubbed · 28/07/2023 20:32

You need to put your children first and get them the fuck away from this abusive maniac. I don’t care if you ‘love this man’. He’s a cunt.

Cherrysoup · 28/07/2023 20:46

Have you watched’My boyfriend killed me’? She loved him too. It’s so, so common. He is abusive, putting his hands on you is a precursor to strangling, one of the big indicators that he will go further. He’s abusive in front of your children, your mum. He doesn’t care who sees it and thinks he can do as he likes to you. Get yourself and your children away from him.

LividHot · 28/07/2023 20:49

How can we help you to be safe?

Crunchingleaf · 28/07/2023 20:53

My stepfather was very volatile. There was physical and obviously emotional abuse too. The stand out memories are the walking on eggshells because of the fear of setting him off and the other is my mother standing watching him when his anger was directed towards me.

I asked my mother once why she stayed with him for so long……..because she loved him was the response. We barely speak now.

I am sharing those glimpses of my life because it might help your children. They deserve better than this life OP. You do too but you mightn’t be ready to realise that yet.

JanglyBeads · 28/07/2023 21:40

LividHot · 28/07/2023 20:49

How can we help you to be safe?

This

Motherofalittledragon · 28/07/2023 21:44

The man's a violent arsehole, your children will remember this, don't go back to him you all deserve better.

Merryoldgoat · 28/07/2023 21:51

You LOVE him? Why?

How can you love someone so vile?

billy1966 · 28/07/2023 21:58

Your poor children.

Their father is a violent, vicious, angry thug.

You have spent most of your posts explaining what a thug he is.

Start thinking about how you are going to explain the horrific damage this thug has done to your children during these years.

Poor mites have no chance at all.

You both deserve better.

He's utter scum.