ULEZ

[titbumwillypoo]

Simple solution to all the people moaning about the ULEZ charge. In order to be exempt all you have to do is drive your car into a shipping container, close the doors and run your engine for one hour. If as you say your car isn't that bad you should be fine, as the fumes you pump out on pedestrians should be good enough for you to breathe for an hour?
AIBU- Don't be ridiculous that would kill off loads of drivers who only have access to the most integrated transport system in the country.
YANBU - Sounds like a plan! 😂

You can have a petrol car up to 17 years old and not have to pay the charge. You can have your SUV for the north face of Uxbridge Road and still not pay the charge. Not exactly restrictive is it.

Even a ULEZ compliant car would kill you.

If these cars are so lethal, why allow them at all, rather than have a scheme that simply prices poorer people off the road?

I put YABU because it begins in Enfield which has TERRIBLE public transport which is not in the least bit integrated. The trains work. The buses are a disgrace.

I just had a long letter from Mr Khan explaining all about the extended ULEZ. He fully appreciates that I might be worried
I am not because I live in Yorkshire, never drive in London and have a Tesla

Not in an hour I wouldn't expect. ULEZ-compliant cars (and indeed almost all non-ULEZ compliant cars) will have catalytic converters so don't pump out the carbon monoxide that used to kill people in the past. In an airtight box the car would eventually burn all the oxygen and you'd suffocate.

But it wouldn't be good for you, and a non-ULEZ car would be worse than a ULEZ car.

YABU
I assume you don't live on the fringes of London/leafy Home Counties where public transport is non-existent, and daily life is determined, not by arbitrary local authority boundaries, but by NHS trusts, school catchments, places of work etc etc, none of which follow LA boundaries.

Hummm...
Did you miss the imprint of the new and improved one horse power zone? 🐎

Hold it up to the light.......

It's not just ulez though, he's making it so expensive for families to travel into London on the train. He wants to get rid of travel cards as well.

"Not in an hour I wouldn't expect. ULEZ-compliant cars (and indeed almost all non-ULEZ compliant cars) will have catalytic converters so don't pump out the carbon monoxide that used to kill people in the past. In an airtight box the car would eventually burn all the oxygen and you'd suffocate.

But it wouldn't be good for you, and a non-ULEZ car would be worse than a ULEZ car."
Yet the attitude of many drivers is that they have the right to poison others for their own convenience?

Yet the attitude of many drivers is that they have the right to poison others for their own convenience?

The scheme basically operates on the basis that they have the right to poison others if they pay £12.50 a day.

I'm very happy with today's news. We need to have drastic changes whilst the planet is literally burning

I support getting cleaner air even though I do drive an older car.

I'll take the penalty. I guess that is the thing. It won't be people living in London that will pay it, because the penalty will make driving a non compliant car inside it completely uneconomical. It will be people outside coming in.

I will have to pay £25 to go to Heathrow now. But I'll still do it because it is trivial compared with the cost of depreciation of a new car and the number of visits I do a year.

Meanwhile the people doing real damage to London, wood burning stoves will carry on pumping out far worse stuff than my car does.

Maybe the (lack of) thought experiment could be repeated with a wood burning stove.

Interestingly a lot of the banned cars are actually better in terms of global warming because they emit less CO2. They are bad for the local environment because they emit more NOx, which is why they are being banned.

Don't worry the charges will go anywhere air quality is bad so it's not unfair

I am sure other solutions would have been possible but why make the rich pay , why raise taxes to make better solutions when you can tax the ordinary person

Just thank whatever you believe in that in practice it affects only a tiny minority of people ( currently)

I live in london, own a car and have three kids and I totally support it. My daughters school playground has incredibly high levels of pollution in the air. The world is on fire, glaciers are melting we need to do something.
I get it’s an inconvenience (I really really do) but it’s the price we need to pay in order to create a more sustainable life for our child.

"AIBU- Don't be ridiculous that would kill off loads of drivers who only have access to the most integrated transport system in the country."
Believe me there is nothing integrated about the transport system around Orpington and Sidcup, ditto the areas where people live who would travel into those towns, such as Swanley and Dartford.
I think we're so busy concentrating on our air quality that we're ignoring the wider global environmental impact of producing these 'cleaner' cars.

I used to live in Zone 2, just inside the current ulez zone. The public transport was excellent and we only really used our car for occasional trips out of London.

I now live on the fringes of zone 6, quite close to the ulez expansion area. The nearest bus stop is a 40 minute walk from my house. Much of that is along unlit single track roads with no pavements. We are on the Downs so cycling is not easy (the road next to us is a 1 in 10 gradient). It's a completely different proposition to the current zone.

The "poorer people" that you are worried about are also the mostly likely to have serious health problems as a result of increasing pollution.

YABU. Almost the entirety of SE Londo is not on the tube system

Well he was really serious about cleaning up air he wouldn't allow polluting cars to even pay to drive in. Should just be a complete ban and if you're found doing it its the same as being fined heavily or prosecuted, point on licence.

Thats if you really care about air quality its what you would do.

You would also put some serious investment into South London because its woefully behind compared to central, North East and west London. We were promised the bakerloo extension decades ago and it got put on hold, then they almost went for it again but again its gone on hold. Its ridiculous.

Oh well, best we make sure they can’t have a car then, while those who can afford the £12.50 charge continue to pollute.

SE London may not be on the tube (much) but it has plenty of rail links, DLR, trams, and buses. And you can still drive your ULEZ compliant car, it's just that hopefully no more children have to die of Pollution because of their parents' postcode.

"Believe me there is nothing integrated about the transport system around Orpington and Sidcup, ditto the areas where people live who would travel into those towns, such as Swanley and Dartford."
God, having to wait 10 minutes for a train. It's like living in medieval times! (or the rest of the country)