ULEZ

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Simple solution to all the people moaning about the ULEZ charge. In order to be exempt all you have to do is drive your car into a shipping container, close the doors and run your engine for one hour. If as you say your car isn't that bad you should be fine, as the fumes you pump out on pedestrians should be good enough for you to breathe for an hour?
AIBU- Don't be ridiculous that would kill off loads of drivers who only have access to the most integrated transport system in the country.
YANBU - Sounds like a plan! 😂

Yabvu

It is a tax on the poorest residents in the outer boroughs and its driving up the prices of 2nd hand cars

It's a tax because Khan has mismanaged the finances

It's very clear from this reply that you just don't have a clue.
I feel so sorry for those people on low incomes who need their cars for work. I have no idea what they are going to do.

You should check whether you are exempt until 2027. There are some exemptions for vehicles for disabled people https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone/discounts-and-exemptions#on-this-page-0

I’m all for it - if it’s good enough for us to breathe, it’s good enough for them!

Bloody Khan, causing a global pandemic which prevented 90% of the population from paying public transport fares for months on end. If Boris was still mayor with his can-do attitude we'd all have been merrily commuting into the City throughout 2020 and 2021 and TfL would be rolling in money.

If ULEZ is about stopping non-compliant cars, why allow people who can afford it to pay £12.50 to drive them? The rich can just pay the charge every day and keep polluting as much as they like, so as someone else says, it's basically just a tax on the poor, otherwise there would be a total ban on non-compliant cars rather than a charge to use them. Seems more like a money making scheme than anything else.

What does this mean? Does everyone need to pay to register their car to drive in the entire London ulez zone?

What happened to the idea of hiking up car tax especially for unsuitable cars in London

oh yes it upsets too many close to SK

four colleagues who can not afford to get a new car (prices have gone up they are already having to use food banks) having to pay. They work shifts

but never mind they are only the poor they can suffer just a bit more

Nope. The poster was mistaken.

No it's for congestion charge if you check your registration you will know if you need to pay Ulez but you may have issues knowing if you enter the zone if for example there is a closure on the M25 and your diverted off or accidentally take the wrong turning. Amazingly Heathrow and Northolt dumping way more shit on our heads is fine to expand he happily supported that.

ULEZ was ordered by the Tory govt as part of the TFL financial bailout during Covid.
What I want Khan to do is ban log burners in London because I'm sick of my neighbour's log burner smoke making my washing stink and it getting into my house. It's vile.

As ULEZ was first introduced in April 2019, it's clearly not a covid policy.

Nor is it a solely Tory one, if you look at all the other places in the UK that have them.

Or indeed a UK one, if you look at all the places across Europe that have them

You probably should learn about what pollutants ULEZ is trying to tackle before making up a ridiculous experiment that wouldn’t work for both ULEZ and non-ULEZ vehicles.

A basic product of combustion is carbon dioxide - I challenge you to breathe that in for an hour in an enclosed space.
If you manage it I’ll say you’re right 😅

@CallistaFlockfart was not completely wrong- the later ULEZ expansion was linked to the bailout I believe.

The expanded ULEZ is targeting particulates but will cause a rise in carbon emissions as people junk working cars (and the embedded carbon) and switch to petrol. To those taking about electric cars, where I live in Ealing, we have no where to charge an electric car. No off street parking and only two public chargers for our entire neighbourhood.

My son is SEN, attends a special school and receives no transport support. I have to drive and collect him from school each day. I'll have to junk a perfectly working car and get a new petrol car.

I work in sustainability for a FTSE100 company, currently studying for an MSc and IEMA qualification and we are having to borrow money from family for the new car. I could cry.

Yes that is awful for you

Not really.

It had been agreed before that, and the terms of the bailout meant it would not have to be cancelled (ie they could still spend to provide the infrastructure).

It makes very little money, less than projections, so was vulnerable to being cut

It's going to stop people being able to work because we don't have a good public transport system

Theunamedcat · Today 10:19
It's going to stop people being able to work because we don't have a good public transport system
London gets double the UK average spending on transport. If the Government stopped over the over investing in London and actually did some levelling up then the rest of the UK would be more attractive to investment.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1134495/transport-spending-per-head-in-the-uk/

Oh don't be so silly.

All methods of transport have got their pros and cons and the current London policies are encouraging people to buy larger vehicles (because newer vehicles are larger on average) and drive them more (because they cost a packet and also because of needing to go round the LTNs, plus the roads are so potholed you're probably better off in a giant Evoque etc).

There is such a thing as embodied energy you know. Junking perfectly functional vehicles because of an arbitrary standard isn't very green either and nor are electric batteries that are stoking up conflict in Africa over the raw materials and can't be recycled.

I hate these simplistic discussions!

London does get more transport spending per head than the rest of the country (the resulting transport is not just used by Londoners though).

London also pays a disproportionate chunk of the tax that subsidises the rest of the country.

Go figure.

Yes that is what is so stupid

Plus Heathrow, HS2 and constant concreting and building and destroying trees

The transport links in the outer boroughs are woeful, towns close by to each other (5 min drive) aren't connected with a lengthy and indirect route involving a mixture of buses and trains via a hub market town.

If central London transport infrastructure was available in the outer boroughs this would not be an issue.

London also pays a disproportionate chunk of the tax that subsidises the rest of the country, because government has over invested in London for the last 40 years whilst simultaneously dismantling the industries that made this country a world leader without replacing them.
Go figure.

Ah, the person that lives in central London and thinks that public transport in Outer London is just as good.

It's not. At all.

I lived 12 years in zone 2 without a car. I had no need for a car. Within a 2 minute walk I could get a bus 24 hours a day, and everything I needed was an easy journey on public transport away.

Zone 5 is not like that! Local blood test centre (I have fortnightly blood tests) - 10 minutes drive, or 50 minutes on public transport. Local hospital? 15 minute drive, or a 75 minutes+ on public transport. If I were still working in the office, my 15 minute drive to work would be nigh on 90 minutes on public transport.
Where I live as excellent East to West public transport, but anything outside of the line is appallingly bad. I don't get paid sick leave - as the moment I can dash out for a blood test and easily make that 40 minutes up. But I would end up using most of my annual leave up when it's a 3 hour jaunt.