ULEZ

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Simple solution to all the people moaning about the ULEZ charge. In order to be exempt all you have to do is drive your car into a shipping container, close the doors and run your engine for one hour. If as you say your car isn't that bad you should be fine, as the fumes you pump out on pedestrians should be good enough for you to breathe for an hour?
AIBU- Don't be ridiculous that would kill off loads of drivers who only have access to the most integrated transport system in the country.
YANBU - Sounds like a plan! 😂

I'm not in London, not everyone lives on London

I know ULEZ at the moment is not currently in the city I live 9 miles away from, but it will be coming. And when it does, this is what I am looking forward to.

We do a lot of work for the NHS in London. We just add the ulez charge (and admin fee) on to the invoice, so in effect, the tax payer is funding our ulez charges.

Smoking has been banned in public places for years. There's never been a point where you could smoke indoors if you paid £10 for example.

However I do think ULEZ impacts poorer people.
Public transport is not uniform across all London boroughs and often not a 24 hour service. There are lots of reasons why people (often in low paid jobs) might need to use a car.

Cars are also pretty expensive to run

Exactly - not every ULEZ is in London.

Other introductions haven't caused this level of hand-wringing (other stages of London, other UK cities, other cities across Europe)

Vehicles which harm human health haven't been outright banned (like indoors smoking was) but this is a nudge towards getting people to give up doing it in the most crowded areas.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-66675787
Hopefully there will be harsh prison sentences or hefty fines for these vandals when caught. Driving is a privilege not a right.

Utter nonsense.

Driving is a necessity for many and sadly the ones who can afford it the least need to drive.

Privilege, my arse. Why would it be a privilege for the low paid window cleaner, gardener, painter, dog walker?

@ChardonnaysBeastlyCat - exactly. Or the carers who charge around looking after several clients a day. Or who have to ferry people to a hospital inside the ULEZ zone and pay for the car park too on arrival. Our culture has entirely lost its sense of pride in nurturing a healthy and functioning society. It's all quick cash mentality, which is at the root of ULEZ. Greenwashing.

Well you can't blame the car park charges on ulez as well

That's because in inner London you can't afford a parking space only the rich can.....and you've got a much better transport system than outer London where people regularly commute in and out of the M25

So you don’t live in an area where there’s a ULEZ and if you did your car would be compliant.

It’s tricky to understand your concern except that you’re constructing straw men

Not directly affected by ULEZ myself, living 200 miles away. But what I really want to know is where the ULEZ fees are going, are they ring-fenced and how and where are these ULEZ fees being or proposed to be, spent, if at all?

Ulez might come to my area. Ulez most likely will come to my area before good public transport links are in place

Not sure how that's so hard to understand

My nearest cinema is around 6min away, on roads that are 40mph mainly. There’s no bus or train inbetween here and the cinema. The walk is though a road with industrial building, factories and warehouses and an incinerator with heavy traffic. A horrible noisy walk on a corridor which irritates your eyes and breathing quickly. Not cars so much, but the lorries, burning rubbish, factory fumes and heavy machinery. There’s no other walking option other than this industrial corridor as it’s hemmed in by train tracks and a canal without crossing points.
Thats what outer London can be like. It won’t be saving my children’s kings to do walks like that.
If there was a bus or train option obviously I’d be getting it

Jennifer, there are lots of council estates in inner London with allocated parking

Weather, nip through it on a bike

But if you’re worried about it and it doesn’t currently affect you then you have time to plan (eg save for a newer car)

You are forgetting one thing, the government incentivesed people to buy diesel cars under the guise of them being better for the environment than alternatives, some of which are now chargeable under Ulez.

Not entirely fair is it?

It was Gordon Brown that incentivised diesel cars

No, it isn’t. But the NOx problems re diesels have been known about for some time.

True however my neighbours who are in their 70s bought into the tale and purchased a diesel car on the back of that. Now due to their age and concerns about their car doing more environmental damage through going to landfill they are sticking with their car and as a result paying the price every time they use it.

They may be a one off but I suspect they aren't

True, which is the same political party who are now expanding the zone.

Council housing is a small proportion of affordable or lower cost housing then presumably you need to drive your car and park it somewhere that costs .... obviously if your inner London it's easy and cheap to hop on London transport....not necessarily healthy but cheap. In outer London getting around means lots of changes not easily done in the one fair price limit or going in and coming out to get to my son's I need a bus to an overground station get train then change to underground then change to overground then get another bus and walk 15 minutes (I have arthritis in knee spine and hip) it costs £20 each way and takes 2 hours 30 mins (approx) longer for me as walking takes longer I also struggle to stand that long .....car takes 40 mins door to door ....and I can't get there before my Dil needs to leave for work so she can't go to work.

If you change car every decade or so like me (perfectly reasonable with a good quality car) legislation and tax changes more quickly. It's why I'm paying ULEZ for the moment. I'm not swapping to another secondhand car and then getting caught by some other regulatory change. It's hardly worth buying a new one to do a relatively small amount of miles.

This is the reason why I disagree with ULEZ