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Could you be with a partner who doesn't believe in climate change?

616 replies

ToDoLists · 26/07/2023 16:17

DH doesn't really think it's all that bad. He thinks we should be recyling more and caring for the planet as makes sense and is just the right thing to do - but that climate change as a disaster is an exaggeration and not based in science. And that people are utilising it for their own agenda, woke brigade & so on.

We have young kids.

AIBU to find this position increasingly problematic?

People are going to say people are allowed different opinions but he seems geniunely unconcerned about future of planet for our kids - and I find that hard to swallow.

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Pointynoseowner · 27/07/2023 19:09

No

LaDamaDeElche · 27/07/2023 19:11

Not all scientists agree, so I think your husband can be forgiven as there is conflicting information out there. I do think it's a reality btw.

IsisoftheWalbrook · 27/07/2023 19:11

No, because it indicates a lack of critical thinking. That is important to me, and was one of the main attractions of my partner.

Jumpingthruhoops · 27/07/2023 19:13

Canthave2manycats · 26/07/2023 16:37

He's not a denier though? He just thinks it's being exaggerated?

And a lot of people think it IS being exaggerated.

A JSO protester was being interviewed the other day, sobbing to the camera and saying how her grandson had been crying: 'The fish in the pond are dying'

At the time, it was 15 degrees in the UK and pissing down! 🙄

SingingNettles · 27/07/2023 19:13

Michael343 · 27/07/2023 19:05

I had to break up a long term relationship over this. She believed in it, whereas all the science says it's just a normal temperature cycle which will reverse in due course, anything else is a religious view.

“All the science” says the direct opposite of what 99% of relevant scientific papers say?

Nice one.

JLou08 · 27/07/2023 19:13

You say he thinks we should care for the planet then make a dramatic remark about him not caring about the future of the planet for your children, seems quite contradictory.
I actually wouldn't mind my husband having those views, certainly wouldn't break up a family over different views. I'd be more put off by someone who is so closed off to other opinions that they resort to trying to belittle them.
Personally, I do believe climate change is an issue, however, there are lots of times that scientific theories taken as fact have been disproved so I would never judge someone for critiquing what some scientists believe to be correct.

Firefly27 · 27/07/2023 19:13

Teder · 27/07/2023 17:01

Would people really end an otherwise happy life and marriage over this?! Insanity! How often do you sit and discuss it?! As long as he does the right things e.g. recycle and limit car journeys, how on earth can it be such a massive issue? My husband is more concerned with climate change than I am, I am more concerned over other issues. Neither of us act like assholes and we manage to stay married.

one of the few sane responses 🙄

Michael343 · 27/07/2023 19:16

You saying it doesn't make it correct. In fact, it's far from correct. Plenty of very well respected climatologists (not YouTubers you're quoting) consider it to be rubbish.

Tinkeress · 27/07/2023 19:17

I am a Physics teacher so as I tend to follow the reality of subjects and not what the press, politicians and social media want people to believe so that they can get the general public to hate each other for colour, gender, culture or race, (or for being a Manchester United supporter :).

Climate change IS with us now and anyone who is willing to spend just an hour at say John Moores science labs etc will go from a doubter to someone who realises that we have gone past the point of being able to do anything about it.

Even scientists on both sides of the argument who constantly argue with each other on climate change, all agree that our young children will witness around a quarter of all current wildlife and plants being wiped off the face of the earth by 2100. At the current extinction level which is doubling every year, almost all wildlife apart from remote areas such as Borneo, will be extinct and almost half of all current living vegetation by 2200.

The current trajectory of global sea temperature can be mapped quite accurately so we know that by 2100, large swathes of London will be under the tide limit, resulting in areas such as Richmond being lakeside areas.

Low flat water inlets such as the North West coastline will see places such as Merseyside, Blackpool and Southport also UNDER the tideline with the estuaries around all coastal regions swallowing many coastal towns and villages.

The temperature of the North Atlantic is warming much faster than the most fearsome predictions which will result in a different type of UK weather by 2100 which will be similar to current weather patterns in West Asia, monsoons etc and long arid summers.

If anyone thinks "well this summer is a washout so there is no global warming, then that is folly as this is EXACTLY what was predicted as alterations of global high and low pressures is the result of a climate shift.

So to answer the question, no I don't think you should be worried about your husband being unconcerned as 99.9% of the public do not have enough information to make a judgement so that does not make him a bad person.

For people saying all climate change believers are 'woke, you really need to research where the word woke came from and what it REALLY means and its not what bigots thinks it means :)

SingingNettles · 27/07/2023 19:20

Michael343 · 27/07/2023 19:16

You saying it doesn't make it correct. In fact, it's far from correct. Plenty of very well respected climatologists (not YouTubers you're quoting) consider it to be rubbish.

Names please. Of course, I am expecting something akin to a list of all living climatologists, to back up your “all the science says” claim.

Tinkeress · 27/07/2023 19:21

Woke = alert to racial prejudice and discriminatio, and sexism.

So next time as a woman you use the word woke, you are actually saying that 'woke' people are anti-racist and anti-sexist, which most of us would want to describe ourselves surely?

You will not have the likes of GB News or the US Magas telling you the real meaning of "woke" as it doesn't meet their hate narrative

HadalyEve · 27/07/2023 19:22

Jumpingthruhoops · 27/07/2023 19:13

And a lot of people think it IS being exaggerated.

A JSO protester was being interviewed the other day, sobbing to the camera and saying how her grandson had been crying: 'The fish in the pond are dying'

At the time, it was 15 degrees in the UK and pissing down! 🙄

It is being exaggerated. At an XR protest I was dragged into a bit of a conversation and a mother protester with a 8yr old looking boy in tow insisted to me that all the U.K. was going to be the next Atlantis by 2030 and we’d be climate refugees taking boats to France. The boy piped up “that’s why I don’t have to go to school” and as my eyebrows went sky high she went on “that’s right GCSEs won’t be of any use after the collapse, go and bang on that drum dearie”

Michael343 · 27/07/2023 19:23

I wouldn't waste my time...at least not until you manage to source 99% from reputable sources...reputable + peer reviewed being the key here. Not a high school science teacher (with a barely related degree, or any social media please).

JanBee57 · 27/07/2023 19:24

Perhaps he's read the official data (science) that tells us that the world has cooled 0.33 degrees Celsius between 2016-2022.

Or that scientists have found that when temperatures changed by up to 5 degrees Celsius in the past humans didn't die out but adapted - and all without a 100 year lead in time which this generation have.

Or that cold temperatures kill 10 times more people than hot weather, even in Africa. This means that AGW will actually save lives.

Or .....

Ohgollymolly · 27/07/2023 19:28

Nousernamesleftatall · 26/07/2023 16:24

All the predictions thus far have been wrong so I am with your DH on this. Now if the government wanted to fixate on the corporations causing pollution in this world I would be first in line but they don’t. They want you to pay more money and lower your standards of living to change the weather. The planet has been heating and cooling since time began. This time they have the media propaganda machine behind them for this agenda 2030.

Every word of this 🙌🏻

EmilyBrontesGhost · 27/07/2023 19:29

How's the Maldives doing?

I'm old enough to remember being told the Maldive islands would disappear under water. That was decades ago. These predictions never come true.

(Funnily enough, when I ask people this question they tend to look blank, not realising the implications of being the lowest, flattest, place on earth)

HelenaTranscart · 27/07/2023 19:29

Although there's little doubt the planet is warming and we shouldn't soil our own nest, the scientists can't agree on how much human activity has influence on what many argue is a normal phenomenon. Read Heaven and Earth by Professor Ian Plimer who says the IPCC has more to do with politics than science. It's a bit like the Trans Rights nonsense where freedom of belief and speech is shouted down if you question it. I hope you resolve your differences though.

Shoesonthefloor · 27/07/2023 19:30

Michael343 · 27/07/2023 19:05

I had to break up a long term relationship over this. She believed in it, whereas all the science says it's just a normal temperature cycle which will reverse in due course, anything else is a religious view.

Er, all the science? You're not very bright are you. I think you'll find all the science says quite the opposite.

Could you be with a partner who doesn't believe in climate change?
JanBee57 · 27/07/2023 19:30

I bet you believed the higher estimates for COVID deaths and use the word "exponential" on a regular basis.
Nothing is self limiting to people like you, is it?
Using past data to predict the future is punditry at best, akin to the sales patter of endowment mortgage salesmen at worst.

Hawkins0001 · 27/07/2023 19:31

ToDoLists · 26/07/2023 16:17

DH doesn't really think it's all that bad. He thinks we should be recyling more and caring for the planet as makes sense and is just the right thing to do - but that climate change as a disaster is an exaggeration and not based in science. And that people are utilising it for their own agenda, woke brigade & so on.

We have young kids.

AIBU to find this position increasingly problematic?

People are going to say people are allowed different opinions but he seems geniunely unconcerned about future of planet for our kids - and I find that hard to swallow.

Either way back in the day many people used to believe the earth was the centre of the universe.

Many of the population also belived different perspectives, overall weather the climate change science is correct or not it's weather you love each other that is the main point.

AIBot · 27/07/2023 19:33

HelenaTranscart · 27/07/2023 19:29

Although there's little doubt the planet is warming and we shouldn't soil our own nest, the scientists can't agree on how much human activity has influence on what many argue is a normal phenomenon. Read Heaven and Earth by Professor Ian Plimer who says the IPCC has more to do with politics than science. It's a bit like the Trans Rights nonsense where freedom of belief and speech is shouted down if you question it. I hope you resolve your differences though.

You mean Ian Plimer the climate crisis denier?

According to Wikipedia

Ian Rutherford Plimer (born 12 February 1946) is an Australian geologist and professor emeritus at the University of Melbourne.[1] He rejects the scientific consensus on climate change. He has been criticised by climate scientists for misinterpreting data and spreading misinformation.[2][3][4][5][6][7][8]

Geologist - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geologist

EmilyBrontesGhost · 27/07/2023 19:34

So sneaky always starting those graphs in the mid 1800s when there was a mini ice age.

Of course the planet warms up coming out of a mini ice age (Maunder Minimum).

Try going back to the Medieval Warm Period and starting from there.

SingingNettles · 27/07/2023 19:36

JanBee57 · 27/07/2023 19:30

I bet you believed the higher estimates for COVID deaths and use the word "exponential" on a regular basis.
Nothing is self limiting to people like you, is it?
Using past data to predict the future is punditry at best, akin to the sales patter of endowment mortgage salesmen at worst.

You’re against using past data to predict future outcomes?

So, science?

Irequireausername · 27/07/2023 19:37

I couldn't be with someone who wouldn't let me have my own thoughts. Couldn't cope with being married to the thought police. 😂

Irequireausername · 27/07/2023 19:40

EmilyBrontesGhost · 27/07/2023 19:34

So sneaky always starting those graphs in the mid 1800s when there was a mini ice age.

Of course the planet warms up coming out of a mini ice age (Maunder Minimum).

Try going back to the Medieval Warm Period and starting from there.

Yes, the UK used to be able to produce wine all the way up to at least York. You are correct, but many don't want to hear that for some reason, they would rather be upset. 😂