to think the penny hasn't dropped yet, for many people, that the trade in new petrol and diesel cars is really ending in 6 years

[JadeClade]

I think the price of second hand cars will go through the roof, at first, when new cars are no longer available, and people buying new homes now really do need to be factoring in where they are going to charge an electric car, and all sorts of preparations and plans are simply not being made

YANBU - we need to be planning and preparing, as individuals and society.
YABU- we don't need to think about it.

The regulations around e-bike and scooter batteries aren't the same standard as car batteries

The battery would go more explosively more quickly I think

It’s not about ‘the tiniest bit of inconvenience’. It’s about the practicalities which people have tried, more politely, to explain in detail.

Yes what a great idea, until the utilities companies come for gas, electric, broadband, fibre, water, drainage and want to dig up where you have plonked your charger channel and they bill you for the extra works. 😂

The practicality is that we can't carry on using petrol and diesel cars unless we want life to get even more impractical

It's going to get terribly inconvenient when the electric goes down more often with increasing storms and heat, when you can't drive you car through the floods to attend the funeral of yet another victim of the latest heatwave , when you can't afford the car anyway because food prices are so high

How on earth do you get there from anything I’ve said? No, you don’t knock the lot down - there’s a lot of embedded carbon in there for starters. You insulate, triple glaze and install MVHR.

This may all be necessary in order to reduce the human population IMHO.

Either way, I'm not sweating it about driving my filthy pickup truck. Having kids would've been much worse as you're creating a chain of dozens more humans, each with a car/house etc.

How is this going to help with home charging an EV?

Its 300k home chargers BUT its worth mentioning this includes new builds that have them fitted but the owner doesn't have an EV.

There are between 36k to 42k chargers, many different estimates.

Road mileage is my guess.

It isn’t. It was responding to a comment about heat pumps not being well suited to many UK houses and the need to upgrade them.

Actually no. Fuel is more explosive as it produces volatile fumes.

The issue with batteries is that they retain heat, so keep re - igniting when re exposed to oxygen.

Also, when we talk about battery fires, we are usually talking about lithium ion batteries. The new iron phosphate batteries are much more stable, making an already low risk even lower.

We have off road parking but it's not next to the house. This is true of a lot of our neighbours too. We could in theory run a cable through the neighbour's garden - most people in our village would need to run one under the road. All of that is probably doable (provided you can get the permissions) but it's a fairly big and expensive ask.

I saw something online yesterday where a particular council are running a trial where they will come and dig a special channel in the pavement to allow a cable to be run out to a car. Work is done for free. But obviously you still need to be able to park outside your own house which you can never guarantee.

Off road parking doesn't necessarily mean next to the house. Ours is about 40 metres from our house along a public footpath. The houses where my son lives have off road parking but it's a plot separate to the houses with no electricity supply. Ditto some of the housing in our village. Lots of flats will have a parking area without a suitable electricity supply.
So 70% is an overestimate of the properties that could have home Charging without significant infrastructure changes.
The nearest public charging to my village is 8 miles away. I keep asking our MP what the government is doing to ensure public charging facilities in less commercially desirable areas such as villages and his answer is basically nothing.

Yes, 70% of UK properties have off road parking. I would argue that 70% is the majority. Not all of the 30% of properties will be car owners. 22% of UK households don’t have a car, I would presume those are most likely to be concentrated in those who live in cities with good public transport, and/or smaller properties, so corresponding with those without off street parking

Its 58% not 70%, so approx 15m homes.

In Plymouth, the vast majority of the city is Victorian/Edwardian Terraced housing, same when i lived in Ruislip & in Bristol... very few have any sort of off road parking and parking is a premium.

Its just pie in the sky to think we will get up to 700 chargers installed per day (to get to 3.2m chargers by 2030 Govt target) when we are currently on 46 per day and the numbers are actually falling! as new house building stalls.

We viewed a new build that had off street parking but not adjacent to the house. Each space had an EV charge point. These were communal; anyone could use any space, but you had to use a swipe card to activate it (so it was charged to you) - I’d imagine these will become more common.

It’s not about the tiniest bit of inconvenience, it’s about not being able to work or live.

So actually the government, this government are going to have to think how they are going to do something about the planet and make it accessible to all.

Along with making electric cars massively cheaper and more environmentally friendly they are going to have to sort out the charging issue , the crappy public transport many outside of London endure and also reduce hugely flying and driving that the rich enjoy. Nobody should be flying round the world several times a year for holidays or meetings any more. It just shouldn’t be possible end of. It’s not necessary.Nobody should be owning and driving several massive cars anywhere. It shouldn’t just be the rich carry on as normal whilst the poorer masses live lives that are impossible. Care assistants and bin men need to be able to get to work easily and affordably. That can’t be ignored. A few smugly saying I own a £30 k car so I’m putting up with the inconvenience but those of you why can’t afford it or don’t have the facilities to run one aren't is ludicrous- particularly when they’re living a highly consumable life and using said car to get themselves and multiple children to airports to fly round the world several times a year and second homes in this country.

Newname211

Sounds great until you factor in how most households have older kids with cars living there too now a days because of soaring rent so each house may have 3 or 4 cars. We have 2 because we both work in different places. We have teens just about to learn to drive. If they end up staying with us due to renting being too expensive and our public transport being totally shite and unreliable the number of cars in our house will go up. You’ll then get some houses doing what happens with parking currently ie using up their own and hoovering up any other available parking and charging space. Lots of people can’t live near where they work because it’s too expensive so will need to charge frequently.

If electric cars are going to be workable they need to be environmentally friendly in manufacture,affordable and supported by good reliable public transport everywhere alongside affordable housing.

The government are doing absolutely nothing about any of that. We have a bus an hour in working hours from our town to the nearest city. The hourly bus often doesn’t turn up at all. It’s extortionate too. £8 for a 12 mile journey We have nothing to various other places. It’s useless if you do shift work or if you want to hold down a job or college place and get to classes and work on time. It’s way too expensive for a whole family to use for a trip into town. People complain over and over about it and still the government does nothing.

And what about those of us who work in caring and community nursing roles who serve and live in rural areas? That’s not going to stop being needed I’m afraid

I see there have been calls for this to be extended to 2035.

I heard on a news programme I had on in the background yesterday that Sunak has confirmed that he has no plans to move the 2030 deadline

What that immediately says is 'the deadline will be moved'!!!!!

Yes, so much this.

Free public transport and powered with faeces is the only way forward. I mean people are full of it! IF it was free then there would be more of an incentive to use it and with increased demand would come increased services. This would obviously need to be done under a programme of re-nationalisation as we don't need to line the pockets of shareholders for shoddy services not fit for purpose in many cases. Of course some jobs would still need people in cars, mine included as most of it is helping people to access the community. We'd have to cut down on our love affair with so much stuff being delivered too.