To think that pregnancy care SHOULD be focused on helping women to have healthy babies?

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This article in a medical journal advocates the taking of testosterone by trans-identified females during pregnancy, despite the proven and potential risks to the unborn child.

The claim that ‘gendered’ pregnancy care is too focused on helping women to have healthy babies and that it is acceptable for transmen to continue taking testosterone during pregnancy, despite the proven and potential risks to the foetus because of, for example, concerns the transman has about being mis-gendered or their desire to be regarded as a pregnant man.

They claim that the desire for ‘normal foetal outcomes’ is problematic because it is born of a wish to protect babies “From becoming anything other than ‘normal’” and reflects the “Historical and ongoing social practices for creating ‘ideal’ and normative bodies.”

This is insane.

According to half the people on here a pregnant woman should be able to do whatever she wants with her body, including killing the baby the day before it's born. I don't know how they can also object if the mother wants to take testosterone.

It's not even remotely accurate to suggest that 'half the people on here' agree with killing a baby the day before it's born.

If a woman is identifying as a man why is she having a baby at all? Men can't have babies.

I agree and isn't it somewhat contradictory for people who are seemingly concerned that this could happen, from the point of view of the rights of the child, are unconcerned that unborn children are being used like lab rats to experiment on whether this is safe?

The child's safety is therefore seen as less important than the cosmetic wishes of the mother.

That's unethical, and highly selfish.

Exactly this.

Yes, the hypocrisy is not lost on me.

Its holding trans females to a higher standard than other females, because they are trans. There is no scientific proof that testosterone harms a human baby, it’s a category B substance and doctors have the discretion to recommend a transman stop or keep taking testosterone.

Theres no evidence to suggest a full ban on testosterone in pregnancy. And to say there should be one is an illogical departure from how medical guidelines are done.

There’s no evidence because it would be unethical to do the studies. Your bias is showing.

Quite the contrary, your bias towards illogical extremes is showing.

It is impossible for a pregnant female to avoid everything that has evidence of harm plus everything that has no evidence of harm to a foetus. You’d have to live on air, literally.

Which begs the question, of all the things where there is no evidence of harm, why the outrage over testosterone? Why pick on transmen?

Why not pick on females who eat spicy foods, or get their hair dyed, or eat a vegan diet? These have no evidence of harm too…

Why not pick on females who eat spicy foods, or get their hair dyed, or eat a vegan diet? These have no evidence of harm too…

Since when were those licensed and prescribed drugs?

@ChopperC110P you have got to be trying to wind us up.

you are either deluded because you have a gender issue and have/want a baby and want to ignore the current NHS advice and common sense, or you are just here to try and get the vipers wound up.

either way, I’m done with chatting to you because you are tedious.

@ChopperC110P If testosterone was supposed to be in the body in the constant, unvarying high amounts required for trans medical use then that would be the usual state of things in pregnancy.

But it’s not like that, so why would you force it and assume it’s fine because you can’t prove the absence of harm? That’s not how this works. We minimise risk in pregnancy. We can’t eliminate risk but we try not to add anything that disrupts what’s needed for healthy gestation. You don’t want to hear it, but it’s obvious to anyone without an agenda that this includes not adding huge amounts of medical testosterone to a pregnancy.