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Cancer charity coffee mornings should be banned

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Luxell934 · 20/07/2023 16:12

So someone on instagram, who usually gives advice to new mums on positive birthing, posted today that she though coffee mornings for cancer charities should be banned. Why? because she thinks cancer loves sugar, cancer grows from sugar and people shouldn't be giving sugar to cancer patients. She said instead of eating cakes and biscuits they should be helping cancer patients to educate themselves to change their diets to beat the disease.

My own personal opinion is that she is spreading complete misinformation to her followers not based on any actual factual studies.

For a start these coffee mornings are not held in the hospital rooms of cancer patients to feed them cake. They’re fundraising events often in school halls, offices, community centres or hospitals as a support system where people are coming together to support and raise money for those diagnosed with cancer. They don't target cancer patients, it's more about the general public raising funds for cancer nurses and research. Cancer coffee mornings are just one of the ways charities fund raise. They also do lots of fitness based ones, like the muddy 5k run, race for life, some do walking based ones. Although not everyone would be able to do something physical for charity, so they might choose the coffee morning. Let's face it, cake is nice right, if it was advertised as a green tea and carrot stick morning, it wouldn't be as popular.

Yes I agree sugar isn't healthy for us. We should all reduce our refined sugar intake. Excess sugar can lead to weight gain which can cause serious health issues including diabetes and obesity which could be a contributing factor to some cancers. BUT cancer is not caused by sugar alone, and cancer can't be cured by cutting out sugar. Cancer also can't be cured by diet alone. I've heard the stories of people saying "My husband cured his stage 4 lung cancer by diet alone!" Right.

There is also no actual evidence that cancer cells grow from sugar. All cells, including cancer cells need glucose (blood sugar) to survive. Glucose comes from any carbohydrate, refined carbs (cake, bread) and unrefined carbs (fruit, veg). Glucose is critical for our cells to survive and function properly. Not consuming sufficient carbohydrates can lead to the breakdown of protein stores in our body, which can contribute to muscle loss and possibly malnutrition. There is no possible way for our bodies to stop cancer cells from getting the glucose and only giving it to the healthy cells.

So should cancer coffee mornings be banned?

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Luxell934 · 20/07/2023 18:29

*cancer cells

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HaPPy8 · 20/07/2023 18:30

Who posted it OP? Can you share so we can see the original post?

Luxell934 · 20/07/2023 18:32

HaPPy8 · 20/07/2023 18:30

Who posted it OP? Can you share so we can see the original post?

thenakedbirthcoach on instagram

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Abra1t · 20/07/2023 18:34

EpiDee · 20/07/2023 16:33

I am a doctor, albeit not an oncologist, but there is no direct link between sugar intake and increased risk of cancer, and certainly no evidence changing diet will help beat cancer.

An indirect link however would be that increased sugar intake leads to obesity, obesity is linked to many different cancers.

The odd piece of cake here and there never hurt anyone, and you are right, it is nice, and can cheer people up. I agree OP, her advice is totally incorrect.

Thank you for being the voice of reason.

pushnpull · 20/07/2023 18:34

I have an oestrogen receptive invasive ductal carcinoma. My cancer is fueled by oestrogen, not sugar.

Somewhat timely, I attended a workshop at Maggie's yesterday which debunked several diet myths including sugar causing cancer, alkaline diets being good for cancer patients and all manner of similar things that just don't work.

I wonder, if cancer could simply be halted simply by being starved of sugar, god, why are some of us being put through chemo and radiotherapy?

Hibernating80 · 20/07/2023 18:37

Do others read posts that claim to be from cancer specialist or nursers and no that's it's rubbish and they're just trying to convince people and skew the dialogue?

Hibernating80 · 20/07/2023 18:38

*know

Auntieofdragons · 20/07/2023 18:39

It is a little ironic that people are trying to cure cancer by selling people the very thing that causes it 😆

Hibernating80 · 20/07/2023 18:40

My understanding is that sugar causes inflammation and that can increase the risk of diseases such as cancer.

MinnieMountain · 20/07/2023 18:41

I know someone who is a scientist at a big pharma and who’s DP worked on a cancer treatment drug that is used. Funnily enough he took the drugs rather than cutting out sugar when he had cancer.

I’m now 5 years post-cancer diagnosis. Cutting down on or eliminating sugar has never once been mentioned by the doctors or cancer nurses.

Moneynewpence · 20/07/2023 18:41

LMNT · 20/07/2023 16:18

Good lord your post is horrendously wrong about the links between sugar and cancer.

When you get a scan to check for cancer they inject you irradiated GLUCOSE because guess where the glucose goes first?!

I suggest you look at the work of Otto Warburg and Thomas Seyfried.

She is 100% right that sugar feeds cancer.

🙄

ConfusedGin · 20/07/2023 18:42

Caravanvirgin · 20/07/2023 16:36

And artificial sweeteners have been linked to cancer.

Sugar doesn’t cause cancer but unhealthful eating does increase the risk of developing cancer. Ultimately if we lived into our 100s we would all develop cancer but there is a worrying trend of more and younger people developing cancer.

I think I agree with her sentiment. We need a food culture change in the UK and I don’t think people being encouraged to eat to support charity is a good thing.

Drinks served over 65 degrees C are more likely to be carcinogenic to humans (deemed probably) than the artificial sweeteners (possibly) and sugars. So, on that evidence, it's the drinks at the coffee mornings for cancer charities that really need to be stopped. Clearly, the 'influencer' and this thread have missed the REAL issues here...

For the avoidance of doubt, there's sarcasm all over that. My philosophy is to eat the damn cake. Drink the coffee. Enjoy a diet cola. A life without fun and flavour is no life at all. Just moderate it.

Prestat · 20/07/2023 18:42

Agree OP

Recent article in NYT:

Does Sugar Actually Feed Cancer?
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Many patients say they avoid sweets to help fight the disease. But while a healthy diet is important, you can’t “starve a tumor.”

Cancer patients are so vulnerable, and some of them are terrified to eat,” said Ms. Shawhan, who practices at the University of Cincinnati Cancer Center. “They think, ‘If I stop eating sugar, then I can starve my cancer.’”

The “sugar feeds cancer” narrative goes back to the 1920s, when a German physiologist noticed that some tumor cells consumed more glucose than healthy cells did. Soon after, low-sugar diets sprang up claiming to cure cancer. Recent polls from the United States and Europe suggest about a third of cancer patients actively avoid sugar.

While experts say that diets high in added sugars may increase your risk of cancer over a lifetime, cutting out all sugars doesn’t actually fight existing tumors.

Full article below:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/10/well/eat/sugar-cancer.html?unlocked_article_code=KmfbVQ-1db71WzOSPRSk1So8IwbWxNSomiJiaxYLkpPWjntEzzXzvBX_6rihZKFktTmCWfiGCxNmbQ3H_-jGdbF9rlf_ibeYtIfw1A9swnq9_XZxDUTBrnTj31UhgEwh1wSvayYCafCgMUgeDLQQeXiWaspOwPwbGn159CV5Dd3wodulYHOd1n6br7ajDFoqERYxskwoG-Op53JfBB1jEEYPi3LGmUUc1M9JLO_cJ_I7KlbhTGfZzU6Pth5Hnm00DIiTXQG-h49iH9n3Q7Ly2xHjaH98lFeEejx-Q_A2Wd8Qz9_wWzumyP0hoSc3gb3USsP5GrxOdQ&smid=url-share

THE METABOLISM OF TUMORS IN THE BODY

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2140820/

Moneynewpence · 20/07/2023 18:42

Hibernating80 · 20/07/2023 18:37

Do others read posts that claim to be from cancer specialist or nursers and no that's it's rubbish and they're just trying to convince people and skew the dialogue?

No, because we're not dim.

Allwelcone · 20/07/2023 18:44

What no coffee mornings?!? That"s the backbone of fundraising*

  • full disclosure - I work for a cancer charity, it's weird knowing that people climb mountains to pay my wages.
sunglassesonthetable · 20/07/2023 18:44

Do others read posts that claim to be from cancer specialist or nursers and no that's it's rubbish and they're just trying to convince people and skew the dialogue?

No

BettyBallerina · 20/07/2023 18:44

Ignorant and cruel victim blaming.

MinnieMountain · 20/07/2023 18:46

And what about those of us who “claim to” have had cancer @Hibernating80 ? I suppose ultimately one can only trust articles from reliable sources, which I note you have not posted.

cactusjane · 20/07/2023 18:46

I saw this and thought it was ridiculous. Firstly cancer patients are not the only people who come to coffee mornings. It's often a meeting place for family, friends and fundraisers who want to support the cause and raise money. It's a social thing. A pick me up. Not a fucking cake binge. And it's very insulting to cancer patients who want to eat cake to tell them not to to insinuate that they are so ill educated that they don't understand that cake might not be the best thing for them. Fuck off and let people make their own choices instead of trying to get a very valid and important fundraising event banned.

I have no idea what she was thinking with this but she's made herself look a real tit.

Luxell934 · 20/07/2023 18:47

Hibernating80 · 20/07/2023 18:40

My understanding is that sugar causes inflammation and that can increase the risk of diseases such as cancer.

Yes potentially, there are some studies that say high sugar levels can lead to chronic inflammation in the body. But stress and lack of sleep can also cause chronic inflammation. This inflammation can then lead to higher risk of heart disease, autoimmune disease, IBS and type 2 diabetes, and some studies say cancer too. I think it's a good idea to limit refined carbs and enjoy them in moderation as part of a healthy diet.

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BCSurvivor · 20/07/2023 18:47

Five years ago I had eight months of treatment for breast cancer, including two surgeries, chemotherapy, radiation and radiation boosters.
One in two people will get cancer in their lifetime.
Half the population.
And certainly not because we indulged in sugary treats.
Yes, too much sugar is not good for anyone.
But scaremongering about sugar causing cancer is insulting to any cancer survivor.

sunglassesonthetable · 20/07/2023 18:48

thenakedbirthcoach on instagram

Wow. Take a little knowledge and make it dangerous.

Beyond tedious. Still, the comments are FULL of people setting the record straight.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 20/07/2023 18:48

LMNT · 20/07/2023 16:18

Good lord your post is horrendously wrong about the links between sugar and cancer.

When you get a scan to check for cancer they inject you irradiated GLUCOSE because guess where the glucose goes first?!

I suggest you look at the work of Otto Warburg and Thomas Seyfried.

She is 100% right that sugar feeds cancer.

Good Lord, you've really fucked it now.

If you were a professional of any kind, you would know that you have breached the professional and ethical standards of every body in medicine with that statement.

sunglassesonthetable · 20/07/2023 18:49

But scaremongering about sugar causing cancer is insulting to any cancer survivor.

And those who don't make it.

Luxell934 · 20/07/2023 18:49

cactusjane · 20/07/2023 18:46

I saw this and thought it was ridiculous. Firstly cancer patients are not the only people who come to coffee mornings. It's often a meeting place for family, friends and fundraisers who want to support the cause and raise money. It's a social thing. A pick me up. Not a fucking cake binge. And it's very insulting to cancer patients who want to eat cake to tell them not to to insinuate that they are so ill educated that they don't understand that cake might not be the best thing for them. Fuck off and let people make their own choices instead of trying to get a very valid and important fundraising event banned.

I have no idea what she was thinking with this but she's made herself look a real tit.

Agreed, she made it seem cancer patients who want to eat cake are stupid and haven't done their research, when in fact the research suggests that a low sugar diet would literally make no difference to their tumour or cancer outcome.

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