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Cancer charity coffee mornings should be banned

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Luxell934 · 20/07/2023 16:12

So someone on instagram, who usually gives advice to new mums on positive birthing, posted today that she though coffee mornings for cancer charities should be banned. Why? because she thinks cancer loves sugar, cancer grows from sugar and people shouldn't be giving sugar to cancer patients. She said instead of eating cakes and biscuits they should be helping cancer patients to educate themselves to change their diets to beat the disease.

My own personal opinion is that she is spreading complete misinformation to her followers not based on any actual factual studies.

For a start these coffee mornings are not held in the hospital rooms of cancer patients to feed them cake. They’re fundraising events often in school halls, offices, community centres or hospitals as a support system where people are coming together to support and raise money for those diagnosed with cancer. They don't target cancer patients, it's more about the general public raising funds for cancer nurses and research. Cancer coffee mornings are just one of the ways charities fund raise. They also do lots of fitness based ones, like the muddy 5k run, race for life, some do walking based ones. Although not everyone would be able to do something physical for charity, so they might choose the coffee morning. Let's face it, cake is nice right, if it was advertised as a green tea and carrot stick morning, it wouldn't be as popular.

Yes I agree sugar isn't healthy for us. We should all reduce our refined sugar intake. Excess sugar can lead to weight gain which can cause serious health issues including diabetes and obesity which could be a contributing factor to some cancers. BUT cancer is not caused by sugar alone, and cancer can't be cured by cutting out sugar. Cancer also can't be cured by diet alone. I've heard the stories of people saying "My husband cured his stage 4 lung cancer by diet alone!" Right.

There is also no actual evidence that cancer cells grow from sugar. All cells, including cancer cells need glucose (blood sugar) to survive. Glucose comes from any carbohydrate, refined carbs (cake, bread) and unrefined carbs (fruit, veg). Glucose is critical for our cells to survive and function properly. Not consuming sufficient carbohydrates can lead to the breakdown of protein stores in our body, which can contribute to muscle loss and possibly malnutrition. There is no possible way for our bodies to stop cancer cells from getting the glucose and only giving it to the healthy cells.

So should cancer coffee mornings be banned?

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EuniceNewtonFoote · 20/07/2023 17:54

Sugar does, indeed, feed cancer. Its so disappointing people do not understand this connection.

It's so disappointing that no one is providing a credible link for us to read.

Clymene · 20/07/2023 17:58

Youseriouslydontknow · 20/07/2023 17:51

Sugar does, indeed, feed cancer. Its so disappointing people do not understand this connection. If you seek out a nutritionist when you have been diagnosed with cancer, the first thing they would do is get you off sugar. Also, people really ought stop taking nutrition advice from doctors. It's barmy!

You do know anyone can call themselves a nutritionist right? I'm a nutritionist. If you only eat yellow food on Tuesday, red food on Wednesday and Green food on Thursday, I guarantee you I can reverse your cancer!

See, total bullshit. Anyone who preys on people with diagnosed serious medical conditions is a revolting human being.

Luxell934 · 20/07/2023 17:58

Youseriouslydontknow · 20/07/2023 17:51

Sugar does, indeed, feed cancer. Its so disappointing people do not understand this connection. If you seek out a nutritionist when you have been diagnosed with cancer, the first thing they would do is get you off sugar. Also, people really ought stop taking nutrition advice from doctors. It's barmy!

I've tried to find the evidence of this but I am struggling to find any. Could you link the studies please?

All I can seem to find is that cancer cells do in fact need lots of glucose to grow and multiply because they are more active than normal cells. Your healthy cells need glucose to survive too for brain function etc But it's impossible for a low sugar diet to stop these cancer cells from growing because you can't just stop the glucose going to the cancer cells and only go to the healthy ones.

One study I found were actually able to isolate the cancer cells and starve them of glucose which was able to kill some cancer cells, but this only applied to certain kinds of cancer cells and not all of them.

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nether · 20/07/2023 18:02

Talking about whether sugars "feed" tumours isn't a synonym for sugars feeding cancer.

One fifth of UK cancer patients have a blood cancer. There is no solid tumour.

FrivolousTreeDuck · 20/07/2023 18:02

If someone eats biscuits and cake on a regular basis in the mornings, that might be unhealthy - but if that's their habit, they'll be doing it whether or not they're invited to a coffee morning.

If someone doesn't usually eat biscuits and cake in the morning but does so as a one-off, that's unlikely to have any effect on their overall health.

Luxell934 · 20/07/2023 18:04

nether · 20/07/2023 18:02

Talking about whether sugars "feed" tumours isn't a synonym for sugars feeding cancer.

One fifth of UK cancer patients have a blood cancer. There is no solid tumour.

Cancer cells, more specifically then.

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tt9 · 20/07/2023 18:05

Youseriouslydontknow · 20/07/2023 17:51

Sugar does, indeed, feed cancer. Its so disappointing people do not understand this connection. If you seek out a nutritionist when you have been diagnosed with cancer, the first thing they would do is get you off sugar. Also, people really ought stop taking nutrition advice from doctors. It's barmy!

nutritionists are not clinically trained. anyone can do an online course and become a nutritionist! or not even do a course as they are not regulated in any way. the professionals who actually give nutrition advice are known as dieticians.

and it might seem strange to some, but in the 5/6 years in medical schools + another 7 or more years of training... we do learn about nutrition. what a shocker!

nothingcomestonothing · 20/07/2023 18:11

If it was that simple, the NHS would just prescribe sugar free diets instead of spending a fuck tonne of money on chemo and immunotherapy. I'd follow someone who knows what they're talking about personally.

sunglassesonthetable · 20/07/2023 18:12

A healthy diet is a better risk factor against cancer.

A healthy diet probably doesn't have much sugar in it.

A healthy diet can definitely have cake in it.

Your 'friend' sound like one of those 'black and white' type people who takes a bit of knowledge and misconstrues it.

A little knowledge is dangerous as my mum used to say.

Lifeisapeach · 20/07/2023 18:12

I don’t agree with the sentiment of removing coffee mornings … but I do agree that cancer feeds on sugar. There are reported findings where patients have removed all sugar and their tumours have shrunk to negligible sizes. Just saying what I have seen online by medical academics and i’m by no way an expert. Everybody is free to chose how they eat and until sometime tells me a direct link between sugar and the creation of cancer cells then I’ll continue to eat the cake.

Clymene · 20/07/2023 18:13

Lifeisapeach · 20/07/2023 18:12

I don’t agree with the sentiment of removing coffee mornings … but I do agree that cancer feeds on sugar. There are reported findings where patients have removed all sugar and their tumours have shrunk to negligible sizes. Just saying what I have seen online by medical academics and i’m by no way an expert. Everybody is free to chose how they eat and until sometime tells me a direct link between sugar and the creation of cancer cells then I’ll continue to eat the cake.

Please can you link?

vodkaredbullgirl · 20/07/2023 18:14

Moveonward · 20/07/2023 17:32

I have worked in oncology for 20+ years and have been a cancer nurse specialist for 7 years and have worked at the one of the top cancer hospitals in the UK for 12 of those years and I have heard this dangerous myth banded around for years.

There is no evidence that cancer is caused by sugar and in fact guilt tripping cancer patients into changing onto super restrictive diets can be really damaging. I have seen patients at a time of extreme stress and distress not even allowing themselves cake or chocolate for fear this will cause their cancer to grow.

A healthy balanced diet and lifestyle is always going to be the most beneficial for reducing the risk of cancer occurring and for coping with the ravages of treatment but for gods sake eat the cake!

^^ this

Luxell934 · 20/07/2023 18:16

Lifeisapeach · 20/07/2023 18:12

I don’t agree with the sentiment of removing coffee mornings … but I do agree that cancer feeds on sugar. There are reported findings where patients have removed all sugar and their tumours have shrunk to negligible sizes. Just saying what I have seen online by medical academics and i’m by no way an expert. Everybody is free to chose how they eat and until sometime tells me a direct link between sugar and the creation of cancer cells then I’ll continue to eat the cake.

I'd like to see these studies please!

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Momtotwokids · 20/07/2023 18:18

Unfortunately you are wrong and LMNT is right. I've had two pet scans and your blood sugar has to be below 150 I think or they won't do the test. Cancer feeds off glucose said my oncologist and surgeon.

JusthereforXmas · 20/07/2023 18:19

Doctors wont say what mine was cause by but it started exactly the same time as the fertility meds (I had the fastest growing tumour type, it grew overnight) so I'm hazarding a very strong educated guess it was the instantaneous hormone change my body underwent. Once the fertility meds where out of my system the growth activity dropped 98%.

I still went back and did IVF again 4 years later, because cancer is random and can be set off by ANYTHING at ANY TIME and life while your still kicking doesn't just stop. My DS was worth it.

My mam died of lung cancer, she was furious because shes been a die hard anti-smoking campaigner her entirely life. Yet out of all the smokers she knew it was her the strict anti-smoker who got lung cancer. Once again for no known reason.

Luxell934 · 20/07/2023 18:20

Momtotwokids · 20/07/2023 18:18

Unfortunately you are wrong and LMNT is right. I've had two pet scans and your blood sugar has to be below 150 I think or they won't do the test. Cancer feeds off glucose said my oncologist and surgeon.

All cells, healthy and cancerous feed off glucose. It's what gives us energy.

Sorry to see you have/had cancer. Did you reduce all sugar from your diet?

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babyproblems · 20/07/2023 18:20

the moral of the story is don’t take as gospel anything you see/hear/read on social media… it’s complete fiction and Willy Wonka land.

JusthereforXmas · 20/07/2023 18:22

Also my mam could only stomach sweet stuff during chemo, her whole diet change and sugary stuff was all she could keep down.

Clymene · 20/07/2023 18:23

Cancer Research: https://news.cancerresearchuk.org/2020/10/20/sugar-and-cancer-what-you-need-to-know/

There’s no evidence that following a “sugar-free” diet lowers the risk of getting cancer, or boosts the chances of surviving if you are diagnosed.

Please read it @Momtotwokids as you've totally misunderstood what you've been told (or drawn the wrong conclusions).

Readnotscroll · 20/07/2023 18:23

As a cancer nurse of 15 years, I can confirm this is twaddle. Whenever this comes up I wait for a link to a reputable study and am still found lacking. As PP said there is significant risk of cancer linked to obesity.

Why on earth would cancer professionals not be telling patients if it was that simple. Or is this big pharma conspiracy?? If people knew the time, energy and costs that go into setting up clinical trials when apparently we could just be saying ‘put down the mars bar’ 🙄

Beautiful3 · 20/07/2023 18:25

Sugar does feed cancer, it's true.

vodkaredbullgirl · 20/07/2023 18:27

We have 2 cancer nurses on this thread, some posters need to read their posts.

Luxell934 · 20/07/2023 18:27

Readnotscroll · 20/07/2023 18:23

As a cancer nurse of 15 years, I can confirm this is twaddle. Whenever this comes up I wait for a link to a reputable study and am still found lacking. As PP said there is significant risk of cancer linked to obesity.

Why on earth would cancer professionals not be telling patients if it was that simple. Or is this big pharma conspiracy?? If people knew the time, energy and costs that go into setting up clinical trials when apparently we could just be saying ‘put down the mars bar’ 🙄

Yep I've heard the "big pharma conspiracy" played out a few times. Scientists want to keep us all chronically sick and dying because they are being paid off by big pharma to keep pushing the drugs on us.

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Luxell934 · 20/07/2023 18:28

Beautiful3 · 20/07/2023 18:25

Sugar does feed cancer, it's true.

Please link the study?

Glucose feeds both healthy and normal cells.

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sunglassesonthetable · 20/07/2023 18:28

Unfortunately you are wrong and LMNT is right. I've had two pet scans and your blood sugar has to be below 150 I think or they won't do the test. Cancer feeds off glucose said my oncologist and surgeon.

I'm sorry you had cancer.

During my OH's cancer no one ever mentioned the word sugar.
He had CT scans, MRI scans but I can't remember if he'd a PET scan tbh.

I don't think it is that clear cut at all.