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Cancer charity coffee mornings should be banned

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Luxell934 · 20/07/2023 16:12

So someone on instagram, who usually gives advice to new mums on positive birthing, posted today that she though coffee mornings for cancer charities should be banned. Why? because she thinks cancer loves sugar, cancer grows from sugar and people shouldn't be giving sugar to cancer patients. She said instead of eating cakes and biscuits they should be helping cancer patients to educate themselves to change their diets to beat the disease.

My own personal opinion is that she is spreading complete misinformation to her followers not based on any actual factual studies.

For a start these coffee mornings are not held in the hospital rooms of cancer patients to feed them cake. They’re fundraising events often in school halls, offices, community centres or hospitals as a support system where people are coming together to support and raise money for those diagnosed with cancer. They don't target cancer patients, it's more about the general public raising funds for cancer nurses and research. Cancer coffee mornings are just one of the ways charities fund raise. They also do lots of fitness based ones, like the muddy 5k run, race for life, some do walking based ones. Although not everyone would be able to do something physical for charity, so they might choose the coffee morning. Let's face it, cake is nice right, if it was advertised as a green tea and carrot stick morning, it wouldn't be as popular.

Yes I agree sugar isn't healthy for us. We should all reduce our refined sugar intake. Excess sugar can lead to weight gain which can cause serious health issues including diabetes and obesity which could be a contributing factor to some cancers. BUT cancer is not caused by sugar alone, and cancer can't be cured by cutting out sugar. Cancer also can't be cured by diet alone. I've heard the stories of people saying "My husband cured his stage 4 lung cancer by diet alone!" Right.

There is also no actual evidence that cancer cells grow from sugar. All cells, including cancer cells need glucose (blood sugar) to survive. Glucose comes from any carbohydrate, refined carbs (cake, bread) and unrefined carbs (fruit, veg). Glucose is critical for our cells to survive and function properly. Not consuming sufficient carbohydrates can lead to the breakdown of protein stores in our body, which can contribute to muscle loss and possibly malnutrition. There is no possible way for our bodies to stop cancer cells from getting the glucose and only giving it to the healthy cells.

So should cancer coffee mornings be banned?

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Tomatina · 20/07/2023 19:28

To quote my oncologist:
'Sugar does not cause cancer. Cancer does not feed on sugar. Try to eat a normal balanced diet, but don't feel you have to cut out treats.'
He also warned me that I would probably be offered all sorts of dodgy advice from self-appointed unqualified experts, particularly on social media. 'Just ignore it.'

Totaly · 20/07/2023 19:29

I think any charity that disrupts education for their gain should be banned!

Luxell934 · 20/07/2023 19:30

wacademia · 20/07/2023 19:25

GCSE Biology time.

When you eat, your food is broken down in your stomach and small intestine into smaller molecules, which are small enough to be absorbed through your small intestine into your bloodstream. Protein is broken into amino acids, fats are broken into amino acids, and starches are broken into sugars. Sugars don't need breaking down. Once in your bloodstream, these molecules are sent around the body to be used directly, converted to glucose for use as energy by your cells or converted into glycogen or fat for storage. This is a GCSE-level simplification, the links give the full story. The point is that every cell in your body metabolises glucose to stay alive, as summarised in the picture (a quote from the carb metabolism page). If you cut every gram of glucose from your diet, your body would turn fats, starches and proteins into glucose because your cells need glucose to live.

Because of this, you cannot starve cancer cells. If you try, you will starve your other cells first. The circulating glucose in your blood is like a wedding buffet and the cancer cells are like those really rude cousins who elbow everyone else out of the way and pile their plates high so that there's no food left for everyone else. It's because the cancer cells are cheeky fuckers who eat more than their fair share that the radioactive sugar works to highlight tumours on a PET scan.

Thanks for this. You explain it better than I did!

I think people are confused because the cancer cells do feed off the sugar, so they think that eating sugar is the issue, when it's not because theres no way to isolate only the cancer cells, and even if there was most cancer cells would still find a way to multiply.

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tt9 · 20/07/2023 19:34

Totaly · 20/07/2023 19:29

I think any charity that disrupts education for their gain should be banned!

please explain... preferably with evidence

vodkaredbullgirl · 20/07/2023 19:35

Totaly · 20/07/2023 19:29

I think any charity that disrupts education for their gain should be banned!

😕

BringBackCoffeeCreams · 20/07/2023 19:35

LMNT · 20/07/2023 16:18

Good lord your post is horrendously wrong about the links between sugar and cancer.

When you get a scan to check for cancer they inject you irradiated GLUCOSE because guess where the glucose goes first?!

I suggest you look at the work of Otto Warburg and Thomas Seyfried.

She is 100% right that sugar feeds cancer.

They don't inject you with irradiated glucose. They inject you with F-18 fluorodeoxyglucose which goes to the brain regardless of if you have cancer or not. It is therefore used for brain imagining, whatever the reason for the scan. The test you are misrepresenting is not used for scanning cancer outside of the brain.

(This info comes from DH, who as some of you know is a professor of nuclear chemistry)

sunglassesonthetable · 20/07/2023 19:39

I think any charity that disrupts education for their gain should be banned!

Not sure what this even means.

Clymene · 20/07/2023 19:40

I don't have cancer and there has never been cancer in my family (touch wood). But this thread has bloody horrified me. The level of ignorance and snake oil crap that's out there is shocking.

I wonder if we could have a myth dispelling webchat?

I'm going to report this post to see if someone from cancer research or similar could come on

Viviennemary · 20/07/2023 19:43

I am not keen on some cancer charities with their executives earning salaries in the hundreds of thousands, so I dont support them for that reason. But I do get OP's point about coffee mornings selling cakes loaded with sugar which is not good for us.

BlackFlyChardonnay · 20/07/2023 19:44

My dear friend had triple negative breast cancer. She went to the halwang (?) Clinic in Germany for treatment. Whenever she visited, they always fed her a gluten and sugar free diet (as in naturally gluten and sugar free - unprocessed whole foods, not processed with artificial additives or added sugars/sweetners). So I always thought diet must be important to cancer treatment for them to do that? Id assume it supports your immune system if nothing else, which obviously plays an important role.

I haven't done any research in to it so my belief was admittedly purely anecdotal. This thread seems to show that there's no concrete proof as of yet... I certainly don't think sugar causes cancer, but it's pretty accepted that eating lots of added sugar is bad for you in general, so I'd err on the side of caution personally.

That said, Instagram lady is choosing an oddly muddled message that disregards all the money raised for cancer charities at coffee mornings.

Luxell934 · 20/07/2023 19:47

Clymene · 20/07/2023 19:40

I don't have cancer and there has never been cancer in my family (touch wood). But this thread has bloody horrified me. The level of ignorance and snake oil crap that's out there is shocking.

I wonder if we could have a myth dispelling webchat?

I'm going to report this post to see if someone from cancer research or similar could come on

Someone did in fact post this link from the cancer research website
https://news.cancerresearchuk.org/2020/10/20/sugar-and-cancer-what-you-need-to-know/

But thenakedbirthcoach told her followers that she "was really sad to see you sharing this. Please anyone who does see this feed - please do intense research yourself don't just go to cancer research uk page".
Yes she actually said that.

Sugar and cancer – what you need to know

We tackle the myth that sugar 'feeds' cancer cells, and explore how the amount of sugar in our diets is cause for concern due to obesity.

https://news.cancerresearchuk.org/2020/10/20/sugar-and-cancer-what-you-need-to-know

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Hayliebells · 20/07/2023 19:49

FFS, who'd be such an arsehole that they'd tell cancer patients that they shouldn't eat cake. Sometimes I despair at people.

Clymene · 20/07/2023 19:49

That was me @Luxell934 Grin

But please also report your post and ask for a webchat. This is really noxious stuff.

Clymene · 20/07/2023 19:50

Clymene · 20/07/2023 19:49

That was me @Luxell934 Grin

But please also report your post and ask for a webchat. This is really noxious stuff.

Oh sorry - see you mean not on this thread but on the instagrammer's page.

It's horrendous how people are promoting this dangerous shit.

Luxell934 · 20/07/2023 19:54

Clymene · 20/07/2023 19:50

Oh sorry - see you mean not on this thread but on the instagrammer's page.

It's horrendous how people are promoting this dangerous shit.

Yes the comment was in reference to when someone posted it on her instagram post, but I also know it was posted here too 🙂

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LindorDoubleChoc · 20/07/2023 19:58

HeidiUpTheMountain · 20/07/2023 18:56

She can get in the fucking sea. Telling people who have cancer that they’ve brought it on themselves, by eating the wrong things? I’d say she should be struck off, but of course she won’t be part of any regulated profession.

Social media has a lot to answer for. It’s brought very little of any value to the world, but actively causes harm.

I couldn't agree more! And the sad fact of the matter is, when cancer patients who are terminal are nearing their final weeks very often the only foods they can stomach are soft sweet things like ice cream and yogurt and yes, cake. Let them/maybe us one day eat any fucking thing they fancy without guilt or shame.

Threenow · 20/07/2023 20:09

watersprites · 20/07/2023 17:11

I hate this rhetoric! A sugar free existence does not protect you from getting cancer!!!

It does on MN, much like having one ham sandwich means you are doomed! There are some real dicks on this thread, who seem to be completely missing the point that the OP is talking about events held to raise money for support/research.

One of the very unfortunate side effects of SM is that people are able to spread this sort of nonsense to a wide audience, and unfortuanately there will always be gullible/stupid people who take it on board.

Charity coffee mornings most certainly should not be banned OP - but people like the woman on Instagram should be!

Jobalob · 20/07/2023 20:10

Fantasea · 20/07/2023 19:06

I was diagnosed with incurable cancer nearly 3 years ago and many well-meaning friends advised me to cut out sugar. The utter devastation of my diagnosis and then being told it's due to being rather fond of cakes is cruel. I reasoned that none of the medical team I was under had said anything about diet so asked my oncologist, about 3 months into treatment, whether I should avoid sugar. He said that cancer cells would just find another source of energy to grow and to eat as healthily as possible but treats were obviously allowed.

Also, the chemo unit I attend has a lady with a food and tea trolley which comes round every hour. It's laden with sandwiches, biscuits, crisps, cakes, fruit, jelly, trifles and custard pots. My appointments took all day so the trolley appeared very often for me and others. The staff encouraged eating from it. Surely if sugar were the killer, they wouldn't be pushing it into patients in a cancer hospital.

Most cancer patients have had advice from unqualified people to eat certain foods, kale is a popular one. it's all so ridiculous and offensive.

For context, for my cancer, I had zero risk factors, no family history of any cancer, hadn't ever had anything more serious than a chest infection all my life, was in the younger age bracket to get it and have subsequently tested negative for the gene which causes it. Sometimes, it's just bad luck.

My late husband had terminal cancer. I lost count of the links people sent him about what a friend of a friend of a friend told them. His brother put him under a lot of pressure to do all sorts of whacky diet things. It was never going to cure him but it did piss us both off - a lot

dawngreen · 20/07/2023 20:14

Smoking is bad for you too, and I still saw hospital workers smoking on breaks. Who then come on wards telling ppl smoking is bad etc.

Jetstream · 20/07/2023 20:14

Remember Belle Gibson and co anyone?

3BSHKATS · 20/07/2023 20:14

LorraineInSpain · 20/07/2023 16:27

When my parent was having cancer treatment the staff kept bringing cake round. I imagine if it was really that bad for people with cancer they wouldn’t have done that.

Oh, you would be surprised the number of nurses and doctors. I know verging on alcoholism and smoke like a chimney. Would be a shock to you. Stuffing their chops with cake on most wards is a daily occurrence.

AutisticLegoLover · 20/07/2023 20:14

I really fancy a piece of homemade chocolate fudge cake now. Nigella's recipe but with my own version of the fudge icing. A black coffee with it would be lovely too.

LMNT was called out on another thread yesterday and/or today to illuminate us on her credentials and provide links to back up what she was saying but there was just tumbleweed. I think Gillian McKeith was mentioned as having 'studied' with her 😁

Someone on another thread told me the NHS dietician I'd trained with (day course, I'm a nurse) wasn't appropriately qualified to give credible advice about nutrition. This place is batshit.

Pass the cake🍰🧁🎂

Luxell934 · 20/07/2023 20:16

dawngreen · 20/07/2023 20:14

Smoking is bad for you too, and I still saw hospital workers smoking on breaks. Who then come on wards telling ppl smoking is bad etc.

There is an actual scientific link that proves smoking causes cancer though.

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dawngreen · 20/07/2023 20:17

Every thing in moderation is the thing. I try to get rid of the worst ones, and accept its human to drink 1 more energy drink or eat that chocolate bar 1 day.

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