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Cancer charity coffee mornings should be banned

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Luxell934 · 20/07/2023 16:12

So someone on instagram, who usually gives advice to new mums on positive birthing, posted today that she though coffee mornings for cancer charities should be banned. Why? because she thinks cancer loves sugar, cancer grows from sugar and people shouldn't be giving sugar to cancer patients. She said instead of eating cakes and biscuits they should be helping cancer patients to educate themselves to change their diets to beat the disease.

My own personal opinion is that she is spreading complete misinformation to her followers not based on any actual factual studies.

For a start these coffee mornings are not held in the hospital rooms of cancer patients to feed them cake. They’re fundraising events often in school halls, offices, community centres or hospitals as a support system where people are coming together to support and raise money for those diagnosed with cancer. They don't target cancer patients, it's more about the general public raising funds for cancer nurses and research. Cancer coffee mornings are just one of the ways charities fund raise. They also do lots of fitness based ones, like the muddy 5k run, race for life, some do walking based ones. Although not everyone would be able to do something physical for charity, so they might choose the coffee morning. Let's face it, cake is nice right, if it was advertised as a green tea and carrot stick morning, it wouldn't be as popular.

Yes I agree sugar isn't healthy for us. We should all reduce our refined sugar intake. Excess sugar can lead to weight gain which can cause serious health issues including diabetes and obesity which could be a contributing factor to some cancers. BUT cancer is not caused by sugar alone, and cancer can't be cured by cutting out sugar. Cancer also can't be cured by diet alone. I've heard the stories of people saying "My husband cured his stage 4 lung cancer by diet alone!" Right.

There is also no actual evidence that cancer cells grow from sugar. All cells, including cancer cells need glucose (blood sugar) to survive. Glucose comes from any carbohydrate, refined carbs (cake, bread) and unrefined carbs (fruit, veg). Glucose is critical for our cells to survive and function properly. Not consuming sufficient carbohydrates can lead to the breakdown of protein stores in our body, which can contribute to muscle loss and possibly malnutrition. There is no possible way for our bodies to stop cancer cells from getting the glucose and only giving it to the healthy cells.

So should cancer coffee mornings be banned?

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ForeverFriendsAndPierrot · 20/07/2023 16:33

I don't think mumsnet is a place to educate you on this op!

Luxell934 · 20/07/2023 16:34

Aquamarine1029 · 20/07/2023 16:31

My own personal opinion...

And there you go. You have your opinion, she has hers. You don't have to agree, and you don't have to read or watch her posts. Everyone who doesn't share your opinion should be censored? Come on, now.

No I'm not going to censor her, I haven't even unfollowed her actually. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I just thought it would be a good topic to debate.

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Timeforabiscuit · 20/07/2023 16:36

Anyone who has walked with cancer gets roundly fed up of this kind of shit, if cancer was actually linked with a simple diet change we would just fucking do that instead of chemotherapy! If there was a shred of evidence, which there isnt!

Invariably when you place your "faith" in doctors and scientific method you get called a "sheep" or closed minded. Opinion is fine, but actually, mine is at least a considered opinion.

Caravanvirgin · 20/07/2023 16:36

Drews · 20/07/2023 16:13

There such things as sugar free cakes.

And artificial sweeteners have been linked to cancer.

Sugar doesn’t cause cancer but unhealthful eating does increase the risk of developing cancer. Ultimately if we lived into our 100s we would all develop cancer but there is a worrying trend of more and younger people developing cancer.

I think I agree with her sentiment. We need a food culture change in the UK and I don’t think people being encouraged to eat to support charity is a good thing.

Chesneyhawkes1 · 20/07/2023 16:36

@2bazookas all hail the cake 🍰

cocksstrideintheevening · 20/07/2023 16:38

Babadook76 · 20/07/2023 16:15

Of course they shouldn’t. I don’t know why you’ve given one persons daft comment an iota of headspace though, let alone wrote an essay on it. Just ignore her

this!

Troyton · 20/07/2023 16:38

Physicist not biologist, but my understanding (been a while since i've been involved in radiography, so a bit rusty) cancer cells are more active, divide faster etc than normal cells, thus consume more sugar.

Glucose, laced with a Beta emitting radio isotope is injected, the beta particles collide with electrons creating gamma, which in turn can be seen by gamma cameras rotating around the patient building up a 3D image.

Because the cancer cells take up more glucose they glow brighter in the image.

As to excess sugar from a cake feeding a tumor, I guess its possible, but our bodies need a certain ammount of sugar, from which the cancer cells will harvest what they need - there reaches a point of excess which the body just has to get rid of that via the liver, which it does quite quickly.

Excess sugar on a regular basis is bad in lots of ways, but feeding cancer, I reckon is a stretch, very difficult to prove I would imagine, personally I'd just enjoy the cake in moderation.

queenMab99 · 20/07/2023 16:49

I used to get a lecture on cancer being caused by eating sugary food, from a man and his wife, in a group that met regularly for study days on different topics.
He was ill, but I am not sure what kind of cancer he suffered from.
He would hold forth about his theories, as we tucked into our healthy vegetarian lunch, while he always brought a plain cold baked potato in a tupperware box, and followed it with a piece of dark bitter chocolate. It just didn't make sense!

Mutinyonthecrunchie · 20/07/2023 16:51

I would be interested to hear about LMNT's clinical role too.

OvertiredandConfused · 20/07/2023 17:01

This is entirely evidenced based. We can reduced our risk of developing some cancers but it isn’t as simple as direct cause and effect.

Our Cancer Prevention Recommendations

We have strong evidence that these 10 things can reduce your risk of developing cancer

https://www.wcrf-uk.org/preventing-cancer/our-cancer-prevention-recommendations/

willWillSmithsmith · 20/07/2023 17:05

Chesneyhawkes1 · 20/07/2023 16:15

Well my cancer wasn't caused by sugar - so I'd like a coffee and a slice of cake 🍰

Mine neither. I have Lynch Syndrome so not really sure how much control I have over the future but saying that I have given up sugar and use what are hopefully better alternatives to cane sugar (Stevia etc).

FishTrashGlove · 20/07/2023 17:05

My bet would be on something unregulated and not requiring any formal qualifications, like aromatherapist or nutritionist. Maybe reiki.

jannier · 20/07/2023 17:07

If you want to be pedantic all Ulta processed foods cause disease so that includes supermarket breads, cereal, yoghurts...anything with added (vitamins, fiber, low fats) so does she advocate only eating freshly cooked from scratch 100 % of the time.
Everything in moderation one bit of cake does not a cancer make.
My sister has cancer and has been prescribed a high fat and sugar diet for energy.

watersprites · 20/07/2023 17:11

I hate this rhetoric! A sugar free existence does not protect you from getting cancer!!!

vodkaredbullgirl · 20/07/2023 17:14

FishTrashGlove · 20/07/2023 17:05

My bet would be on something unregulated and not requiring any formal qualifications, like aromatherapist or nutritionist. Maybe reiki.

Clinical Nutritionist.

321user123 · 20/07/2023 17:19

LorraineInSpain · 20/07/2023 16:27

When my parent was having cancer treatment the staff kept bringing cake round. I imagine if it was really that bad for people with cancer they wouldn’t have done that.

You’d think that.
But just look at the diet they feed diabetics in our hospital wards.

Now I don’t know much about the topic but just wanted to point out that your assumption isn’t quite right.
In fact, from the point of there being evidence, however significant, that an approach is better or simply another option to the point this approach is taken up there could be 10-15years.
I know this as far as my own medical field knowledge for my conditions.

On a side note cutting refined sugar from our diets can only do good.

Also @OP glucose and blood sugar are not the same thing, although sometimes you hear the names “blood glucose” and “blood sugar” (those are the same thing).

Moveonward · 20/07/2023 17:32

I have worked in oncology for 20+ years and have been a cancer nurse specialist for 7 years and have worked at the one of the top cancer hospitals in the UK for 12 of those years and I have heard this dangerous myth banded around for years.

There is no evidence that cancer is caused by sugar and in fact guilt tripping cancer patients into changing onto super restrictive diets can be really damaging. I have seen patients at a time of extreme stress and distress not even allowing themselves cake or chocolate for fear this will cause their cancer to grow.

A healthy balanced diet and lifestyle is always going to be the most beneficial for reducing the risk of cancer occurring and for coping with the ravages of treatment but for gods sake eat the cake!

Superher · 20/07/2023 17:35

Sugar does not cause cancer. It contributes to obesity in a massive way, which does cause cancer.

Chesneyhawkes1 · 20/07/2023 17:36

@willWillSmithsmith I'm sorry to hear that. I'm sure the odd slice of cake won't hurt. But well done for giving up sugar!

Newshoess · 20/07/2023 17:38

I wouldn't of even give it a second thought OP. You need to change who you follow on IG. Doctors/nurses can only advise people they cannot force them to not eat cake. If I had cancer..

Cake would be the least of my worries live and let be.

Clymene · 20/07/2023 17:40

I'm here for the update on @LMNT's clinical credentials. And the link to peer reviewed research obviously.

ForTheSnarkWasABoojumYouSee · 20/07/2023 17:40

It's a coffee morning not a cake morning. Stick to a big mug of coffee and a tiny slice of cake and the health benefits of the former will probably outweigh the detriments of the latter.

Youseriouslydontknow · 20/07/2023 17:51

Sugar does, indeed, feed cancer. Its so disappointing people do not understand this connection. If you seek out a nutritionist when you have been diagnosed with cancer, the first thing they would do is get you off sugar. Also, people really ought stop taking nutrition advice from doctors. It's barmy!

DamnUserName21 · 20/07/2023 17:52

Sugar may 'feed' cancer but so do lots of things. Give up meat, non-organic fruit and veg, medications, alcohol, anything BBQ'd or fried, chemical food additives, exhaust fumes, smoke, the list is endless; and can all cause cancer.

Or fuck that and enjoy a bit of cake and a glass of wine because QUALITY of life is everything.