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AIBU to hate the term mental load?

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YeahIsaidit · 19/07/2023 17:10

I cringe every time I read it, people lamenting that they can't cope with the mental load, partners aren't taking on an equal share of the mental load, argh! They're chores, household tasks, jobs. Mental load makes it sound like you're suffering from some kind of mental health issue rather than being dragged down by housework, stop it.

OP posts:
IfItAintBrokeBreakIt · 19/07/2023 18:18

I find organising and remembering things easy but it’s not hard to realise and accept that others struggle with it OP. Some people genuinely don’t cope well with it. Why does that matter to you?

YeahIsaidit · 19/07/2023 18:19

SamanthaCaine · 19/07/2023 18:15

It helps you to identify as the victim a bit more dramatically.

Quite

OP posts:
ZeldaWillTellYourFortune · 19/07/2023 18:19

megletthesecond · 19/07/2023 18:14

Yabu. You are obviously lucky you don't have much to do if it isn't overwhelming.

It's not a matter of "luck."

People choose their circumstances.

lieselotte · 19/07/2023 18:20

Goldencup · 19/07/2023 18:15

But if like in my house there are effectively 4 autonomous individuals then these "little things" add up to something much greater. For example today as well as working as a senior leader in health care I have had to:
1)Book the rabbit into holiday care
2) Discus with 16yo;
a. whether or not she can stay out(again) tonight
b. Check she knows which shifts she is working this weekend
c. Go through her budget with her and negotiate a reasonable payment

  1. Sort out penalty fare for said 16yo 4)Order a tescos shop accomadating dietary preferences for up coming holiday with MIL
  2. Chase DFs birthday present

On my list for tomorrow (another working day) is:

  1. Pick up rail ticket for 16yo (although actually train strike so will need to remember to do that on Friday)
  2. Buy card for DF's birthday
  3. Buy special cheese from special cheese shop as requested by DM for DF ( probably should have phone to check in stock today, will need to do that 1st thing tomorrow)
  4. Find alternative present if DF's doesn't arrive
  5. Encourage 16yo to pack ( may involve encouraging her to identify clothing which needs washing today)

I am sure there is more.

DH would almost certainly say he has done the Lion's share today he has;
Emptied dishwasher
Cleaned kitchen
Bought a bedding set
Given teens various lifts as he was WFH

Well your problem is there is a lack of delegation - or doing too much for other people.

Sounds like your 16 year old and MIL could do more for themselves.

Hufflepods · 19/07/2023 18:21

@Goldencup but why do you need to keep track of a teenager’s work shifts on their behalf? If they’re old enough to have a job they’re ads old enough to keep track of their own schedule.
You’re taking over tasks unnecessarily and then complaining about it.

ZeldaWillTellYourFortune · 19/07/2023 18:21

PhantomUnicorn · 19/07/2023 18:12

imagine life is a wedding.

the daily living of it is the ceremony.

the 'mental load' is all the planning that goes on behind the scenes to make the ceremony go off without a hitch.

When you have 2 adults in the ceremony, but the bride is doing all the planning while the groom just shows up and expects it all to happen without a hitch while not lifting a finger, is that fair?

She picked him.

Why not hold out for a more proactive and responsible man, if it's that big a deal?

adomizo · 19/07/2023 18:21

Look OP the majority of us seem to understand the term as being much more than just housework and these tasks are multiplied depending on a number of factors like how many kids you have/where you live/whether you work etc. So we will just keep using the term and you don't have to. Agreed ?

ZforZebra · 19/07/2023 18:22

@YeahIsaidit - you sound resentful that you need to carry the mental load alone as a single parent. I think it’s great that you’re managing so well - but your personal experience doesn’t invalidate the very real one that many women (single or partnered) go through. If you don’t like the term “mental load” what would you rather it be called? Personally I find it a very accurate and helpful description for the disproportionate planning, monitoring and evaluating (usually) women need to do to keep households running. Even if you don’t like the phrase I hope after reading some of the responses here you at least understand the concept.

kayserah · 19/07/2023 18:22

YeahIsaidit · 19/07/2023 18:12

I'm being shafted for demeaning women, meanwhile it appears to me that you're demeaning yourselves by giving a job title to living in order to feel justified in moaning about it

But everyone is different, well done
you for not struggling and not finding things hard especially when you’re a single parent. But you create an obviously goady and antagonistic thread based on what you have read on here, of course people are going to jump on and defend themselves, or are you unable to understand this?

I’ll just add, not everyone’s ‘mental load’ is the same. Some will obviously be more to do than others. And there are people who I know who love being on the go and busy all of the time and people (like me) who need quiet reflective time and don’t get the desire to be always doing something.

What line of work are you in and how old is your child if you don’t mind me asking?

DrinkFeckArseBrick · 19/07/2023 18:22

I dont think people are complaining that they have a high mental load. When you work and have kids with hobbies for example it's a given that you have to make sure their uniform is complete, fits, clean in time for whatever activity, they have the right kit / consent forms, their subs are paid for the month / term, you have arranged any lift shares with friends, you have encouraged your child to practice between sessions if needed, any badges are sewen / stuck on, you've reminded your child to pack a snack that they can eat on the way etc etc etc.

I think when people complain about the mental load they are usually complaining that they do all the above, but their lazy partner will say 'what time is Cubs / swimming etc' and give them a lift there / back. They are frustrated that their partner doesnt see all this unseen work which can add up and thinks they've done their share by getting in the car for 15 min.

So it's not the mental load that people generally struggle with. It's the fact that it's often not shared equally by the supposedly equal other parent

PurpleBugz · 19/07/2023 18:23

@ZeldaWillTellYourFortune

"People choose their circumstances."

Absolutely not always the case. I did not choose to have a disabled child who requires loads of appointments and endless admin and meetings. All of which falls on me not his father who walked away because it was too hard for him.

To generalise that people choose their circumstances is ignorant

Sweetandsaltycaroline · 19/07/2023 18:24

DH once asked me to see one of his clients because he needed to work late (we work at the same place) I got in at 6pm.
He had already asked me to run an errand (which would take at least 30 minutes) and both DC needed taking and/or collecting from activities, and we all needed dinner. Apart from seeing the client literally none of this would have occurred to DH because he was concentrating on work. (No laundry, birthday cards or dentist appointments involved)

ZeldaWillTellYourFortune · 19/07/2023 18:24

Hufflepods · 19/07/2023 18:21

@Goldencup but why do you need to keep track of a teenager’s work shifts on their behalf? If they’re old enough to have a job they’re ads old enough to keep track of their own schedule.
You’re taking over tasks unnecessarily and then complaining about it.

I wondered the same. Much of that list was discretionary/self-inflicted.

ZeldaWillTellYourFortune · 19/07/2023 18:25

PurpleBugz · 19/07/2023 18:23

@ZeldaWillTellYourFortune

"People choose their circumstances."

Absolutely not always the case. I did not choose to have a disabled child who requires loads of appointments and endless admin and meetings. All of which falls on me not his father who walked away because it was too hard for him.

To generalise that people choose their circumstances is ignorant

I think that generally, they do. There are exceptions.

Sorry for your difficulties.Flowers

Hufflepods · 19/07/2023 18:26

Sweetandsaltycaroline · 19/07/2023 18:24

DH once asked me to see one of his clients because he needed to work late (we work at the same place) I got in at 6pm.
He had already asked me to run an errand (which would take at least 30 minutes) and both DC needed taking and/or collecting from activities, and we all needed dinner. Apart from seeing the client literally none of this would have occurred to DH because he was concentrating on work. (No laundry, birthday cards or dentist appointments involved)

So the problem is you’re married to an arsehole?

PhantomUnicorn · 19/07/2023 18:27

ZeldaWillTellYourFortune · 19/07/2023 18:19

It's not a matter of "luck."

People choose their circumstances.

really? i chose to be a divorced survivor of DA with a disabled child did i?

BillaBongGirl · 19/07/2023 18:28

YeahIsaidit · 19/07/2023 17:10

I cringe every time I read it, people lamenting that they can't cope with the mental load, partners aren't taking on an equal share of the mental load, argh! They're chores, household tasks, jobs. Mental load makes it sound like you're suffering from some kind of mental health issue rather than being dragged down by housework, stop it.

I dislike the term too, so YANBU. I do get what it represents though and can’t think of a better term for what it describes, so I put up with it.

Midge75 · 19/07/2023 18:29

There may well be some posters who use the term to mean coping with the average day-to-day. But even then, I think there's no need to be so condescending about it. Different people can cope with different things.
I generally don't feel I struggle with a mental load day'to'day, but I have beenn through times where I have. For example, when one of my children went through a period of very poor mental health. My husband would carry on as normal, without thinking through all the additional things that needed to be put in place for us to be able to do a normal day (normal was no longer possible as we had to do a lot of adapting for our child). He might have accepted a family lunch invitation an hour's drive away, without thinking about or checking timings (it used to take this child up to 3 hours to get ready due to anxieties and sensory problems, and that's if the softest clothes were available to wear, after a week of school and other activities, all of which needed extra thought during this period), or he might have offered a lift to someone from somewhere, without thinking about the fact that the car needed to be home for someone else to be taken somehwere. I don't know - I'm probably not making very good examples. Certainly, how I understand it, usually, is that it describes a situation where one partner (not always the woman) has to think about every tiny detail for the entire household, including contingency plans etc. while no one else does.

YeahIsaidit · 19/07/2023 18:35

Goldencup · 19/07/2023 18:15

But if like in my house there are effectively 4 autonomous individuals then these "little things" add up to something much greater. For example today as well as working as a senior leader in health care I have had to:
1)Book the rabbit into holiday care
2) Discus with 16yo;
a. whether or not she can stay out(again) tonight
b. Check she knows which shifts she is working this weekend
c. Go through her budget with her and negotiate a reasonable payment

  1. Sort out penalty fare for said 16yo 4)Order a tescos shop accomadating dietary preferences for up coming holiday with MIL
  2. Chase DFs birthday present

On my list for tomorrow (another working day) is:

  1. Pick up rail ticket for 16yo (although actually train strike so will need to remember to do that on Friday)
  2. Buy card for DF's birthday
  3. Buy special cheese from special cheese shop as requested by DM for DF ( probably should have phone to check in stock today, will need to do that 1st thing tomorrow)
  4. Find alternative present if DF's doesn't arrive
  5. Encourage 16yo to pack ( may involve encouraging her to identify clothing which needs washing today)

I am sure there is more.

DH would almost certainly say he has done the Lion's share today he has;
Emptied dishwasher
Cleaned kitchen
Bought a bedding set
Given teens various lifts as he was WFH

A lot of this you've brought on yourself, if your 16yo can have a job they can remember when their own shifts are, you don't need to do this.

Buying a birthday card? That's included in this mental load charade?

Your DM can't go to the special cheese shop for the special cheese because??

I'd agree that your DH has done the lions share as so far you've sat and thought about things

OP posts:
IglesiasPiggl · 19/07/2023 18:37

YeahIsaidit · 19/07/2023 17:53

Top tips, umm get on with it.

I do laundry twice a week both colours and whites unless there's a specific item needed for a specific thing.

Meal planning, whatever I fancy or whatever I have in and cbf making

Insurance policies, I am with wonderful companies that send reminder letters when due for renewal, perhaps you should look into these

Invites get stuck on the fridge so they're seen daily and I put an alarm on my phone,

Dentist goes as pp mentioned above

Have I missed anything? Should I be crying over the oven because of the 5 mins it took to decide what to make, I had to go to the shop to get chicken too, it was daunting but hey I managed, go me!

Oh dear. You get more dense with every update.....

Regholdsworthswaterbed · 19/07/2023 18:38

YeahIsaidit · 19/07/2023 17:54

I have adhd long ago diagnosed...

Do you all find being an adult hard?

You obviously do because being a dick to randoms online because they disagree is pretty childish. If you don't like the term mental load don't use it.

BungleandGeorge · 19/07/2023 18:38

I think it’s quite a useful term. Some people have much more straightforward lives and jobs than others though

BungleandGeorge · 19/07/2023 18:40

And yes I do find being an adult hard at the moment because of circumstances, I’ve found it much easier at other points in time!

maddiemookins16mum · 19/07/2023 18:40

I agree. Only heard on MN (along with life admin).
Back in the real world it’s called being an adult.

MooseAndSquirrelLoveFlannel · 19/07/2023 18:41

OP you are intentionally being rude, and derogatory to people on here.

Just because it isn't a mental load to you, and you breeze through life without a care in the world, doesn't mean other people aren't struggling. Like how some people fall into depression when shit happens in their lives and others don't. That's the joy of this world, everyone is an individual and everyone has different mental capacity to cope with life.

Stop being a bitch.

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