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AIBU to hate the term mental load?

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YeahIsaidit · 19/07/2023 17:10

I cringe every time I read it, people lamenting that they can't cope with the mental load, partners aren't taking on an equal share of the mental load, argh! They're chores, household tasks, jobs. Mental load makes it sound like you're suffering from some kind of mental health issue rather than being dragged down by housework, stop it.

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Fizbosshoes · 19/07/2023 21:58

Dentist twice a year
Car insurance annual
Meal planning, it's as simple as OK we have xyz what you fancy, or I'm going to the shop is there anything in particular you'd like for dinner that I could pick up while there.

This is by no stretch of the imagination a huge amount

Its a waste of time replying if you've literally reduced it to 3 tasks. You can clearly read over multiple pages, that literally no-one is complaining about simply dealing with these things 🙄

@Ngmi
The last week two weeks of term is the only time I find the mental load too much. Organising three kids school palava has ended me this month. Something different every day that needs making/buying/attending/ around the usual chaos of little kid life and work. The rest of the time I don’t really think of it. But this week I’ve actually used the phrase for the first time since Christmas.

Yes end of summer term and Christmas usually require more "extra" things to remember, events, sports day (different colour tshirt required). The things on their own are not onerous. Multiple things squished into a couple of weeks with birthdays as well in our case, can tip the balance.

Nailswithhearts · 19/07/2023 21:58

OP, you sound like you live in chaos and lack routine. That’s a negative lifestyle. It will have its consequences elsewhere. You also don’t understand the definition of the term. Oh, and it’s accepted and used by psychologists - the ones with degrees and experience - not a random off a mumsnet :)

BOOTS52PollyPrissyPants · 19/07/2023 22:00

Cap89 really good what you wrote and you sound like you do have a good husband and who is willing to sit and talk and listen and compromise, you are lucky you have that kind of relationship as it is not as common as we may think. Interesting to read everyone's replies and women should be more understanding of each other and how stressful life can be at times and we all feel overwhelmed at times.

Davros · 19/07/2023 22:02

OH should be able to help with blue badge btw if he were able to do that, he wouldn't need a Blue Badge 🤷‍♀️

If you want a night out then surely it would be you that organised it, no? I mean my friends don't organise it. You really are dumb, no?

Pebblesontheside · 19/07/2023 22:04

Op

Fairislefandango · 19/07/2023 22:07

So why do women enter relationships/have children with these men who just sit around doing nothing?

Presumably because most of the mental load stuff doesn't exist until you have children. It seems like quite a lot of relationships which might have been fairly egalitarian at the beginning, and even after marriage, become a lot less so once maternity leave happens, and then rarely go back to how they were. I'm all for saying don't marry or have kids with arseholes, but apparently the arseholery isn't always obvious until later.

ZeldaWillTellYourFortune · 19/07/2023 22:08

Fairislefandango · 19/07/2023 22:07

So why do women enter relationships/have children with these men who just sit around doing nothing?

Presumably because most of the mental load stuff doesn't exist until you have children. It seems like quite a lot of relationships which might have been fairly egalitarian at the beginning, and even after marriage, become a lot less so once maternity leave happens, and then rarely go back to how they were. I'm all for saying don't marry or have kids with arseholes, but apparently the arseholery isn't always obvious until later.

That's what they all say. I don't buy it.

Greenberg2 · 19/07/2023 22:08

takealettermsjones · 19/07/2023 21:47

People who use the term "mental load" are not necessarily saying the stuff is difficult. It's just reasonable to assume that if there are two people in a marriage, they will each take half of whatever work is there, including the planning/organising bit. If one spouse is doing half the physical work but all the planning/organising, then they're actually doing more than half because the mental load is on them. It's about the principle of it.

Which is exactly the point. People who don't have another adult in the household who doesn't pull their weight don't generally use the term. It's people who have to do all the planning and organisation for two capable adults. It's wearing looking after another perfectly capable but lazy adult, who might do chores, but only when directed because 'they don't notice it needs doing', 'didn't realise you wanted me to', 'don't know what the homework is', 'didn't realise there was a party this weekend'.

Really don't understand why it bothers you so much as you're not affected. You don't live with another capable adult so you have no idea. YABVVU

Greenberg2 · 19/07/2023 22:09

ZeldaWillTellYourFortune · 19/07/2023 22:08

That's what they all say. I don't buy it.

Well you're wrong.

YeahIsaidit · 19/07/2023 22:11

Davros · 19/07/2023 22:02

OH should be able to help with blue badge btw if he were able to do that, he wouldn't need a Blue Badge 🤷‍♀️

If you want a night out then surely it would be you that organised it, no? I mean my friends don't organise it. You really are dumb, no?

Occupational Health sorting a blue badge would mean your DH wouldn't need one? Weird

How's it dumb to say that if YOU want a night out YOU need to organise it, why would your friends organise it if it was you that wanted to go?

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YeahIsaidit · 19/07/2023 22:13

Nailswithhearts · 19/07/2023 21:58

OP, you sound like you live in chaos and lack routine. That’s a negative lifestyle. It will have its consequences elsewhere. You also don’t understand the definition of the term. Oh, and it’s accepted and used by psychologists - the ones with degrees and experience - not a random off a mumsnet :)

How does it sound like I live in chaos and lack routine. I work a 9-5, do laundry on my days off and do top up stuff when I come home... Your comment makes no sense

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Davros · 19/07/2023 22:16

Occupational Health sorting a blue badge would mean your DH wouldn't need one? Weird I don't know what you mean. OH wouldn't usually submit Blue Badge applications

Noimnotstillonmumsne · 19/07/2023 22:16

YeahIsaidit · 19/07/2023 21:41

He's not an adult...

Ok teen then. The point still stands.

My eldest is 14 and I have very little admin in relation to her. She gets herself to and from school/activities, remembers which days she’s doing what.. If anything she makes life easier as she helps out with cooking and shopping etc

I do feel for single parents of younger, multiple kids, particularly with SEN. That was the kind of household I grew up in. That was a very real and very heavy mental load for my mum and my dad was completely absent so there was no one for her to share it with.

YeahIsaidit · 19/07/2023 22:18

Davros · 19/07/2023 22:16

Occupational Health sorting a blue badge would mean your DH wouldn't need one? Weird I don't know what you mean. OH wouldn't usually submit Blue Badge applications

Blue badge assessments are carried out by occupational therapists and/or physiotherapists

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inamarina · 19/07/2023 22:29

YeahIsaidit · 19/07/2023 19:22

You're calling me patronising when using terms like "well done sweetie" I hope the irony isn't lost on you.

How is it patronising to say that mental load is a ridiculous term and that the things that seems to encompass are the things pretty much every adult on the planet has to do to function? Things that have been mentioned on this thread alone:

Grocery shopping, ONLINE SHOP! Not even leaving the bloody house!

Reminding a teen of their work shifts (why?)

Buying birthday cards, presents

Remembering PE day

Organising insurance

Dental/GP appointments

Buying loo roll and bin bags

I mean come on, this is just living and people are whining about it

It’s not every adult on the planet though, is it?

Someone who has no kids won’t have to remember to wash the PE kit or to remind their teen what shifts they work.

Someone with one child will probably have fewer things to remember and organise than someone with three kids, and so on.

burnoutbabe · 19/07/2023 22:30

PhantomUnicorn · 19/07/2023 18:12

imagine life is a wedding.

the daily living of it is the ceremony.

the 'mental load' is all the planning that goes on behind the scenes to make the ceremony go off without a hitch.

When you have 2 adults in the ceremony, but the bride is doing all the planning while the groom just shows up and expects it all to happen without a hitch while not lifting a finger, is that fair?

Yo could say that must grooms would or may just be happy to say

Yes venue x is fine -50 guests. £10k job done
They works be fine to leave the entire details to a professional to sort / do invites.

To be fair I'd be the sane.

I can't see much mental load as 2 adult without kids. Yes I suggest we get milk in or ask if we have items for dinner eise we can Deliveroo or just go to shops. That's just life and what I'd do if single.

Most stuff listed like teacher WhatsApp gifts I just think WHY BOTHER -whoever cares about that stuff should deal with it. If partner ignores his mums birthday, so be it. We get email reminders a week before each one, that's enough admin for me.

MistressoftheDarkSide · 19/07/2023 22:39

How old are you OP?

Genuinely interested. I’m 54.

Despite being brought up with all the benefits of feminism, education etc etc and striving as hard as possible to make all the right decisions regarding career etc etc it has always been the societal default that I should take on and manage the well-being and nurturing of those in need around me because I am a woman.

Fine, everyday tasks equating to “adulthood” are to be expected and one can learn to be organised, but when life throws you curve ball after curve ball on top of those everyday tasks, those everyday tasks become far more daunting, and whether you want to acknowledge it or not, society still has an unspoken expectation that men’s work and well-being should be facilitated by the women around them, be they mothers or wives / partners.

It is an interesting paradox that women are marginalised in the world of work, financially and in terms of status and recognition as they are still deemed less competent or capable than men, yet they are considered superhuman in terms of child rearing, caring, organising their homes and doing all the little, apparently inconsequential tasks required to do just that.

There is a resentful undercurrent building and being driven in society at the moment, underpinned by the implication that our quest for equality is detrimental to men’s health and children’s well-being.

Between Andrew Tate at one end of the “red pill” spectrum and Jordan Peterson at the other, the status of women in general is becoming more and more precarious all the time.

You’re no doubt going to scoff and accuse me of hyperbole, but experience and observation over my 54 years has lead me to the conclusion that our equality has come at a high price. Instead of men being encouraged to think of, and treat us as equals, they have been very subtly encouraged to be resentful of the changes, and as we push forward, they push back, always testing, always using our perceived sex based vulnerabilities as leverage in a struggle as old as time, constructed by men aeons ago, when the fable of Adam and Eve was constructed.

Of course there are wonderful individual men out there, my late partner was one of them. But even he, under stress and if the right buttons were pressed would default to muscle flexing and the expectation that I should fill particular roles that he felt he shouldn’t have to.

On top of those everyday tasks that mount and mount, driven by our fast paced capitalist driven culture, women are supposed to be caring, diplomatic and organised at all times, and if she isn’t woe betide…. She is a nag, deranged, entitled, needy…..

You only have to look at those news stories when a man snaps and murders his wife, or his family, and his long-standing pattern of controlling behaviour is excused because the catalyst was a woman trying to escape an untenable situation, when her “mental load” pushed her to try and leave or disrupt his environment, with the implication that she was at fault for doing so.

So when you belittle the phrase, you deliberately overlook structural sex inequality, you overlook societal expectations of women to always manage her mental wellbeing and that of her children and wider family, and her man.

They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, and we are now bombarded with knowledge of how to improve our lives at every turn. More “mental load”. You sneer at women overwhelmed by more and more considerations regarding how to guide their children through the constantly evolving modern world, fuelled by technology and social media and research which is often contradictory and later on sometimes regarded as harmful.

Providing the basics, love and stability is no longer enough, so the little things do become overwhelming due to the sheer volume of them.

It’s easy to offer advice when you’re not the boiling frog.

The end of our civilisation won’t be nuclear Armageddon, it will be collective nervous breakdown.

TLDR:

Get off your high horse and scroll on by if you’re irritated by a phrase that some people find valuable to describe their feelings.

TwinsPlusAnotherOne · 19/07/2023 22:43

YeahIsaidit · 19/07/2023 17:23

"thinking about what needs to be done and when" jesus christ, it's making fairly basic normal every day things sound like gargantuan tasks, really? Am I the weirdo by not being floored thinking oh DS needs his uniform cleaned or need to book a check up. To me it just tries to add more weight to irrational whinging

I can't explain it, so hopefully someone a lot more eloquent will be along to do so.

When I was a single mum to DS, I would have shrugged off the concept of "mental load" as merely doing life, it really wasn't that hard...and as a single mum, who's got it harder than me, right?

There's no comparison with now having me, 3DC and DH.

Many of those that dismiss mental load, are literally looking out for themselves (requires no effort knowing your own schedule) and one DC, which again, is just one dependent, and not really a "load" of any kind.

The mental load I have now, I would have laughed at, ten years ago, at me being dramatising such menial tasks. Oh, how little I knew.

Mental load, is a very real thing. And whilst it might not even register, to a person with one dependent, it's a massive difference from that to a family of 5.

GodSaveTheClean · 19/07/2023 22:44

@MistressoftheDarkSide Bloody bravo to you! Excellent, excellent post

Fairislefandango · 19/07/2023 22:47

@MistressoftheDarkSide Bloody bravo to you! Excellent, excellent post.

Yes, 100% this. Brava!

WWYDIYWMRN · 19/07/2023 22:49

Totally agree with you OP. It's a phrase generally used by people who over complicate their lives and take it upon themselves to do everything, often unnecessarily.

I just call it life.

And yes, I do work full time and have children

picturethispatsy · 19/07/2023 22:58

MistressoftheDarkSide · 19/07/2023 22:39

How old are you OP?

Genuinely interested. I’m 54.

Despite being brought up with all the benefits of feminism, education etc etc and striving as hard as possible to make all the right decisions regarding career etc etc it has always been the societal default that I should take on and manage the well-being and nurturing of those in need around me because I am a woman.

Fine, everyday tasks equating to “adulthood” are to be expected and one can learn to be organised, but when life throws you curve ball after curve ball on top of those everyday tasks, those everyday tasks become far more daunting, and whether you want to acknowledge it or not, society still has an unspoken expectation that men’s work and well-being should be facilitated by the women around them, be they mothers or wives / partners.

It is an interesting paradox that women are marginalised in the world of work, financially and in terms of status and recognition as they are still deemed less competent or capable than men, yet they are considered superhuman in terms of child rearing, caring, organising their homes and doing all the little, apparently inconsequential tasks required to do just that.

There is a resentful undercurrent building and being driven in society at the moment, underpinned by the implication that our quest for equality is detrimental to men’s health and children’s well-being.

Between Andrew Tate at one end of the “red pill” spectrum and Jordan Peterson at the other, the status of women in general is becoming more and more precarious all the time.

You’re no doubt going to scoff and accuse me of hyperbole, but experience and observation over my 54 years has lead me to the conclusion that our equality has come at a high price. Instead of men being encouraged to think of, and treat us as equals, they have been very subtly encouraged to be resentful of the changes, and as we push forward, they push back, always testing, always using our perceived sex based vulnerabilities as leverage in a struggle as old as time, constructed by men aeons ago, when the fable of Adam and Eve was constructed.

Of course there are wonderful individual men out there, my late partner was one of them. But even he, under stress and if the right buttons were pressed would default to muscle flexing and the expectation that I should fill particular roles that he felt he shouldn’t have to.

On top of those everyday tasks that mount and mount, driven by our fast paced capitalist driven culture, women are supposed to be caring, diplomatic and organised at all times, and if she isn’t woe betide…. She is a nag, deranged, entitled, needy…..

You only have to look at those news stories when a man snaps and murders his wife, or his family, and his long-standing pattern of controlling behaviour is excused because the catalyst was a woman trying to escape an untenable situation, when her “mental load” pushed her to try and leave or disrupt his environment, with the implication that she was at fault for doing so.

So when you belittle the phrase, you deliberately overlook structural sex inequality, you overlook societal expectations of women to always manage her mental wellbeing and that of her children and wider family, and her man.

They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, and we are now bombarded with knowledge of how to improve our lives at every turn. More “mental load”. You sneer at women overwhelmed by more and more considerations regarding how to guide their children through the constantly evolving modern world, fuelled by technology and social media and research which is often contradictory and later on sometimes regarded as harmful.

Providing the basics, love and stability is no longer enough, so the little things do become overwhelming due to the sheer volume of them.

It’s easy to offer advice when you’re not the boiling frog.

The end of our civilisation won’t be nuclear Armageddon, it will be collective nervous breakdown.

TLDR:

Get off your high horse and scroll on by if you’re irritated by a phrase that some people find valuable to describe their feelings.

What an incredible post 👏

I wonder what has triggered OP to post about this…seems a very strange thing to get so upset about…

GameOverBoys · 19/07/2023 23:06

For me the mental load gets annoying because I’m the only one that bloody does it. My DP will take the kids to an activity after school if I ask him but he doesn’t know what they do and when and will ask about specific timings every single week. We have a shared calendar it’s just easier to ask me than look. My DS will walk in the room past his dad and say to me ‘where’s my iPad?’ Look yourself I’m not your bloody eyes! My DD is much better so I think DS learns it from his dad. It’s like knowing what needs to be packed for holiday or where we keep the big pan is or the million other things is wife work and beneath DP.
The mental load isn’t an issue unless you are being relied on as another humans calendar, organiser, memory and lackey.

Davros · 19/07/2023 23:07

Blue badge assessments are carried out by occupational therapists and/or physiotherapists before they can assess, someone (me) has to submit an application that meets their requirements, gather any required extra information and follow up. An Occupational/physiotherapist may assess but I have no interface with them. There is sometimes interface for a PIP application which could be by phone or in person with DH, all managed and facilitated by me

SausageinaBun · 19/07/2023 23:07

For me, it is a way of acknowledging the life admin as one of the jobs that needs to get done in our lives. So when we share out those jobs it can be allocated like laundry and loading the dishwasher. I'm apparently not very good at laundry and the dishwasher, but I'm good at the mental load stuff, so that's how we split it. Obviously the splitting it part isn't relevant to single parents.

When DD2 started school, I thought about us splitting the mental load by each doing it for one child. But I just couldn't decide which child to regularly be let down by DH, so I kept it for both. Even delegated bits of mental load don't really work with him - he needs written instructions and reminders. I've got no idea how he actually keeps his own life going, I assume it is an attention thing.

I know people will think DH should just learn to do it better, but I'd rather he did the laundry.

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