This isn't our heat wave, but the next one could be

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Or if we mess up the jet stream, arctic winters.

We have really messed up horrifically, haven't we.

I am scared its too late to put right

the majority of soy grown is used to feed livestock for your meat consumption. It is a problem.

hi @SallyWD is your DH very negative for the future or fairly positive with adaptation? It’s so easy to be crippled with fear but for me I feel change will only come when people feel positive for the future, the ‘what’s the point’ mentality stops people doing anything useful.

Ofeelya · Today 12:52
We don't drive, are all vegetarian, wash two loads a week on 30° and don't use a tumble dryer, don't fly/go on holiday, only put heating on on the coldest days for a hour or two, don't buy tat from Shein/Temu or wherever, recycle everything possible, use as little plastic as possible... Not sure what else we can do as a family. And it all seems a bit futile anyway at this point, if I'm honest.

Bloody awesome!! The other thing you can do is talk about it. No one is talking about it. So posting on here was great! The other thing is sign petitions, email your MP. Donate to campaign groups. It’s not futile. You won’t know how many people you have inspired to change just by doing what you are doing! It’s like ants. One goes finds food and leaves a scent. Then slowly all the others cotton on. Make the scent stronger. You are laying the scent!

One of the most valuable things we can do is change where we bank and our pensions - https://www.switchit.green/

• https://makemymoneymatter.co.uk/

While Wayne and Karen from Sunderland continue to drink full-fat milk, give burgers and sausages to their kids and drive around in a 4x4 diesel that they haven't paid for, it's going to be tough.

What point are you making..?

A huge percentage of the world population will be wiped out- from the consequences of climate change.

@QueefQueen80s

where abouts are you?

I'm in the SE of England. I'm sleeping in my birthday suit, no duvet & still hot. The weather in the day is currently pleasant, but was bloody hot in June. Officially 30°, but certainly actually hotter where I live. Readings of up to 38° outside at mine and local venues.

i enjoyed it, but that was because it came at a time I could just enjoy it, sit outside & drink loads of cold drinks & have lots of home made ice lollies!!!

i wouldn't enjoy it if I had to work in a physical job, or even in an office.

it's amazing how the weather can be SO different in different parts of England (small land mass) let alone the U.K.

If there's anyone who's still not aware of everything on that list I think they're truly beyond help.

Ha this! I am Scottish but have been down South forever... and have just started sounding DH for a move back

(If it was up to me and eldest DD we'd be somewhere cold and bleak by the sea already 😁)

We literally just increased the population of the UK by 600k+ in one year. All those people are added demand to the system and it doesn't look like decreasing anytime soon. Unless there is massive population collapse tomorrow, all Western nations are going to see massive population increases for years to come which means far more need for food, water and energy. We cannot pivot to unreliable forms of energy at a time when demand is massively increasing. The whole system is completely contradictory.

A good high-level summary:

www.birthgap.org/spaces/10215679/page

Until we address the millions of pets in the country there is no point doing anything.
It is very definitely the elephant in the room. we prefer to kid ourselves that cycling to work and going vegan is the answer.

@Troyton

FFS.

Billions of people, all over the world, all daying 'until X does Y, there's not point so I shan't bother'.

This is why we are doomed!

Don't be ridiculous.

Yes (carnivore) pets are a burden on the environment but saying "there are pet cats and dogs in the UK therefore it's not worth thinking about jet fuel taxation/renewable electricity/reducing human meat and dairy consumption/ICE use/insulation and energy efficiency/women's education and contraception" is possibly the most bonkers statement on a thread with some pretty hot competition.

I would say shop locally but for many, this is cost prohibitive, as our local aldi is so much cheaper for fruit and veg that the greengrocers down the road.

In my small city, we don’t have a ‘greengrocers down the road’ any more, to be able to make the choice. Not one.

it does help to remember that the Earth cycles are far far bigger and more powerful than we are, and that we are just passing through.

Yep, in a nutshell. Try and do as little damage as possible for the short time we’re here, is maybe the best we can aim for.

@PurpleWisteria1 Oh dear oh dear. you missed the point, deary me. your post does sound incredibly patronising and irritating.

I am with @lieselotte there - yes economically declining birthrate is bad, but at this stage survival is more important than economics. With climate change increased migration, loss of cities, increased food prices, wars over resources like water, you will have a whole lot of economic worries to think about before getting to who will take care of the elderly. Population needs to reduce, now.

What? the older population in europe will very shortly die off inc me! older people don't live forever, meaning Europes population imbalance will correct itself

Obviously not given birth rates are falling. 🤣

Some of these posts are so ridiculously uninformed.

Yes, pets, most families with DC seem to have some damn great hound or two as well.

The world cannot continue with a population explosion just to deal with care and pensions

Omg. 🤣🤦🏻‍♀️

There is no population explosion happening now. The effect of an ageing population has largely masked the decline in numbers of young people due to the fast declining birth rates almost everywhere in the world. The world population will become smaller at an exponential rate soon, quickly accelerating to the point of collapse of social systems.

what Prudence says x a million.

The world functions around doing many things we don't need.
Producing ready meals
Producing plastic packaging
Printing millions of books every week- a huge percentage of which go unsold or unread. There are charity shops and landfill sites, attics and bookshelves full of them. We should just stop.
Printing newspapers.
Making vast amounts of plastic tat - toys, household decorations - they end up as landfill and never degrade.
Producing energy that is used needlessly, wasted and costs us a fortune.
Producing weedkillers and other garden stuff- like plastic pots, bedding plants, exotic plants etc that ate entirely unnecessary and damaging the environment.
Continually testing and producing new toiletries- deodorants, shampoos, conditioners, glittery bath crap, hair dyes, hair products, cosmetics, perfumed. We already have thousands of types- we don't need any more.
Producing billions of items of cheap clothing that just ends up in landfill within months. We should stop producing at least 75% of it. Charity shops are full of stuff- often almost unworn or brand new.
Cars- limit the size and engine size. The woman who killed those children last week was driving a 4x4 the size of a truck, in a city. They cause pollution in their production, eat fuel/energy and are totally unnecessary. No one needs a new car every year or two years.

I could go on....but I won't. 😂 We live in a society driven by capitalism and consumerism and waste. We are killing our planet.

And we will kill ourselves and our children in the process

We're DOOMED 😩

Not flying for holidays is a fairly straightforward measure to take. It only means foregoing certain types of holiday.