This isn't our heat wave, but the next one could be

[orangeleavesinautumn]

Or if we mess up the jet stream, arctic winters.

We have really messed up horrifically, haven't we.

I am scared its too late to put right

With comments like this it's easy to see why the human race is doomed.

All species have a finite timeline in terms of their existence on Earth. Humans are no exception to that. The planet will of course, become uninhabitable for us as a species long-term. Then maybe, in millennia, another species might emerge. That too will have a certain time on the planet. And so on, ad infinitum until the sun nears the end of it's long life, grows to a horrendous size and absorbs Earth in a blazing ball of searing fire.

The real end.

I've not read the full thread as there's 17 pages and I don't have the time! But maybe we could start a new thread or add into this one, little everyday things that we could incorporate into our lives to help the planet, as many people may not be aware of simple things that we as individuals could do to help. Ie -

-Use the car less

-Recycle (not sure if this is for global warming or to prevent the ocean getting clogged up or both tbh! Or something else!)

-I would say shop locally but for many, this is cost prohibitive, as our local aldi is so much cheaper for fruit and veg that the greengrocers down the road.

-Wash at a lower temp

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Do not patronise me. There are too many people in the world for the available resources.

The usual argument that we all need to have millions of kids is to look after the elderly and pay for pensions. Both of those arguments are very weak ones in the face of the much more pressing issue of climate change and the impact on resources.

Also local issues such as housing. On the one hand people say we need more people but on the other they don't want the countryside concreted over for housing.

Putting money into ‘grow your own veg’ schemes, this in itself would deter importing produce, teach children about food and growth, reduce air miles. Investing and looking into more sustainable options is the only way forwards now.

Actually I’m going to stick up for older people here. They may not be making as much noise about climate change. But they certainly don’t consume at the rate younger people do. They’re used to reusing things and seem to get through less tat than the younger generation. Just look at how many women are swanning around with acrylic nails, fake tan and fake lashes - more nylon/plastic to end up in the landfill, and more chemicals to be washed down the drain into our water supply. Cheap fast fashion is doing extremely well, so many young people I know are hardly ever seen twice in the same thing because they can buy a top for £5. Primark, Pretty Little Thing, Shein are all booming.

None of the older people I know do much apart from watch telly, listen to the radio, read or go to local activities. They don’t buy clothes as regularly, don’t eat much food and basically seem happier to have less stuff.

I've not read the full thread as there's 17 pages and I don't have the time! But maybe we could start a new thread or add into this one, little everyday things that we could incorporate into our lives to help the planet, as many people may not be aware of simple things that we as individuals could do to help

there was a thread like this recently - maybe in Chat?

Well I already do pretty much everything you mention (do go on holidays occasionally). It's really not that hard. We'll have to go further than that though.

But what we really need is to stop the govts investing in new fossil fuels. It's insane. Why aren't they investing in renewables instead?! The new plants won't even be active for decades! Makes zero sense, don't you agree? They're doing it purely for money.

Just Stop Oil have an extremely good point!

Find a petition to sign and sign it!

@LlynTegid

i agree with most of your points, esp WFH where possible.

but outdoor venues closed?? How do you see that helping the environment or the economy? You can't close 'the outdoors' so which venues are you going to close/let stay open? How are you going to compensate those you close?

there has to be an element of personal choice!

yes, people will make stupid choices, (like the fools on TV already) but such is life.

Eh?

SEVENTY PERCENT of this country is farmland. Farmers throw food away for FFS.

We have more than enough food to feed the UK population BUT not of the foodstuffs the public want, where do bananas come from? Grapes? Open your food cupboard, half of the stuff don't grow here, and can't.

A person with a mainly vegetarian diet requires 2 acres of land to feed themselves for a year.

We have a population of 67.7 million.

The U.K. is 60 million acres.

You do the maths!

Or maybe it is possible and we don’t know? Our feeble 2023 brains can’t possibly comprehend or see. A bit like an trying to get an ant to understand what you are typing on your phone.
If we do survive long term, think 500 years into the future. You can’t. Just as a person from the Tudor times couldn’t understand 2023. And technology exponentially speeds up. So you really have scale up the difference between Tudor times - 2023 to 2023-2523, many many times.
Mind blowing.

Oh and that includes land which is built on or unsuitable for growing crops/veg - so the reality will be much less than that.

Over 1000 scientists have said there is not a crisis .

look here is my proposal . We have a university in this country purely to study the FACTS about green energy and climate changes and whether electric cars are actually as clean overall when you look at the battery life and disposal etc etc this would be a free course and attract the best minds from all over the world . Because there is no point in drinking things like almond milk etc if you are actually destroying what you think you are saving . And the media should stop saying highest temperature EVER . Because it’s highest temperature since recording temperature changes ( since about 1880) Other graphs are produced using different methods that you either believe or you don’t .

It was make one hell of a difference to those animals stood in a kill line though.

@Emmamoo89

anecdote =|= data

Perhaps

But do you want to slow it down and give at least our children a chance? Reduce suffering and starvation?

The road were melting?

We don’t need loads of more people, but the birth rate needs to be kept steady and not just drop suddenly which is what is currently happening. If the majority of families only have 2 children, that is a sudden drop and will cause huge huge issues once the current workforce can no longer work!

Where in Christs name do you get that from???

Two acres to feed one person for a year???😂

Is that person the size of 4 horses !!! Jesus christ.

As long as a large % of people can get their cheap fashion and home goods from the likes of Shein and Temu they don't really care.

I don't believe climate change is 100% due to our terrible custody of our planet I certainly think we are making it worse and it is now too late to make any worthwhile changes and some of the developing countries are not on board. Turning my heating down a few degrees isn't going to offset a new city being built in China.

I am actually quite glad now that I'm heading towards the end of my life as I think humanity's tenure of the planet is coming rapidly to an end even if we don't manage to blow ourselves up in a nuclear war.

There are two topics - neither of which are currently very active, but not tumbleweed either. Either/both might be a good home for threads of that type

Climate Change

Ethical Living

Might be good to see both more active!!

I don't think there's anything at all to be gained by assuming such a lofty tone when someone hasn't understood your point.

@Soapyspuds

remember that comment in a few years.

I'd like to see a requirement to show the country of origin for goods on websites, and show it prominently, too. I try and avoid stuff made in China, but I ordered some earplugs a few weeks ago and was hacked off when they arrived and they were from China.

If it was obvious, it would be easier to avoid stuff that's been shipped halfway round the world. When you shop in person, you can at least look at the labels.