This isn't our heat wave, but the next one could be

[orangeleavesinautumn]

Or if we mess up the jet stream, arctic winters.

We have really messed up horrifically, haven't we.

I am scared its too late to put right

You really don’t get this? Bloody hell. The declining birth rate will likely get to us way before any life style climate changes. That’s what people don’t get.

And yeah no one should be washing their pyjamas after just one wear

You can blame industries as much as you want, but if people stopped demanding cheap flights, fast fashion, and convenience food their market would disappear.

We create their market and they fill it. We need to shut that market off.

Oh that's alright then.

For the love of fuck 🙄

Oh well, no climate crisis here then eh .... 🙄 You do realize that just a couple of months is hardly representative of the overall situation

@WestwardHo1

well we haven’t!
I think sometime we get a few days of hot weather and people start calling it a “heatwave” and panic!
im summer we are supposed to get hot weather

The declining birth rate will likely get to us way before any life style climate changes

Climate change issues are having an effect NOW. Conflicts in the middle east, drought, refugees, population movements, fires, floods, storms. People are still acting like it's a future problem. It's started.

Are you really that obtuse?

@LaurieFairyCake

Do you honestly believe if there were no more flights, climate change would stop in its tracks?

my Mum lives in NZ (as well as siblings & Nibelungs and close friends) I haven't been since 2018, but do you honestly think I should never see them again?

So far on this thread we need to give up flying, cars, meat, dairy, avocado, soy, almonds, new clothes, and now we aren’t allowed pets either?

I haven’t got any kids and aren’t going to have any so I’ll recycle and try to walk places where possible, buy clothes second hand and repair items instead of buying new, but I’d also quite like to enjoy life and some of you don’t sound like you’re doing that. Yes that is quite selfish but I’m ok with that.

I also don’t think things are quite as dire as some of you are making it out to be.

Because we are on Mumsnet, it's no use me mentioning other forums, I don't know what your issue is and I don't care wind it it in isn't telling you where you can post, it's stop having a got at me as you coming across as a idiot.

Yes agreed, scientists alarmed at how quickly it's all unraveling

I think what people can do to make a change is give what they can to charities which help girls stay in education beyond the age of 11 in countries where there is disparity in educational opportunities for girls, and where they get married young and are expected to have lots of children. It can make a dramatic difference to birth rates in these countries in a short space of time if girls can just stay in school. With birth rates well below 2 in most countries, it doesn't take much to tip the balance and actually start to make the global population fall.

@Divinericepudding

im not saying that global warming doesn’t exist
just that our weather in the uk this year hasn’t been anything out of the ordinary
even last year it wasn’t really
as I say in the summer we are supposed to get some hot and dry weather

Yeah, I'm happy with lower carbon lifestyle changes but the focus on it also makes me angry.

Because the real polluters know full well that emphasis on this will lead to petty circular bickering over who went on a flight and who did two loads of washing, while billionaires are taking private jets and shooting rockets into space and corporations are causing more damage than any number of private individuals can do.

Change needs to come from governments and corporations, not individual people cycling to work.

Also, wasn't it Shell or BP would coined the phrase 'carbon footprint' in order to encourage this

It's worse than dire, we won't manage to keep warming below 1.5 that's pretty much guaranteed now, sure most people can't comprehend what this will do to humanity. The glaciers are melting, the poles are heating up, record temperatures across the globe as we speak, how can not think that's dire?

It’s really not as simple as that though. We are all internationally connected. Imagine you shut off fast fashion from China - SHEIN, primark and all the like. Far far reaching consequences to our economy. For any really difference lots of things need to stop.
Our whole country would need to be re constructed from the bottom up. Every persons life totally changed. Covid would seem like a mere small blip.
Planes down to essentials only. Would need to happen across the world all at the same time or people would just move counties.
its just not going to happen.
And the worst of it is, in the UK we are so far ahead. Has anyone actually been to the US recently? Parts I went to are so WAY behind with green thinking it was outrageous. Single use plastics everywhere. Styrofoam everywhere. Thick plastic containers in and on every bloody item. Didn’t see one thing there to signify anything ‘green’. Made me feel like I was stepping back 10/20 years.
makes me realise that for all our efforts it’s being wiped out 10000x times over

I'm not being funny but that's pretty much what used to happen when people moved very far away from each other. It's only in the last 50 years we've had the luxury of being able to move halfway around the world from our families and still easily see them in person. It's not a sustainable position to take unfortunately - our natural world didn't evolve with this phenomenon built in.

If we all die out so what, there have been loads of different ages all through history, the actual planet will still be here

What you don't think that breaking 40 degrees in the UK for the first time last year wasn't concerning to put it mildly? Temperatures all over the globe are bring broken as we speak, we had the hottest few days since records began (globally) at the end of June! Just because we're cooler atm does not mean all is well, surely you must understand overall climate trends versus day to day weather?

We literally just increased the population of the UK by 600k+ in one year. All those people are added demand to the system and it doesn't look like decreasing anytime soon. Unless there is massive population collapse tomorrow, all Western nations are going to see massive population increases for years to come which means far more need for food, water and energy. We cannot pivot to unreliable forms of energy at a time when demand is massively increasing. The whole system is completely contradictory.

I am so sick of the need for instant gratification shown by human beings. We know we have raped the planet, and yet we are still relying on fossil fuels, but water in plastic bottles and knock down all the damn trees to make way for methane-producing cattle.

In the Middle Ages, the Dutch knew to plant trees around a 55km radius of overgrown land that was quickly becoming a desert.

In Paris and Barcelona they have knocked down buildings and resurrected watercourses that have been buried for over 100 years in an attempt to cool it down. Barcelona went one step further and planted fruit trees right through the city providing shade, air-filtration, oxygen and free food.
Here in Australia, where the weather is apocalyptic, we are still diverting natural water courses for farming, and polluting what is left. We are creating bigger deserts as the pesky trees that get in the way of ever expanding need for Mc Mansions die or get cut down. Our unique fauna has been on the edge of obliteration for years - except for kangaroos who have more food than ever to populate, but they are OVER populating and have become super-aggressive in urban areas. Our very small tracts of arable land are being built on, and we have eschewed independent food production for trade from overseas which has brought pests in that have further endangered native flora and fauna. We don’t have desalination plants yet and it is becoming very aparrent that we have changed the regular rain schedules and patterns and now have dams outside of rain catchment areas. We have sold most of our Atesian Basin (underground water basin) to American Soft Drink companies and we buy our bloody water back in plastic bottles. We have sold our cattle stations to American and Brazilian conglomerates and the cattle are destroying the land they’re on. We don’t have the water to support the predicted population growth for the next 5-10 years. Every summer our fires get more dramatic and dangerous and we get flooding in unpredictable places.

We need to let the bajillionaires and politicians go into space and not allow re-entry.

Bemused by the 29% of people voting Yabu on this.

Yep - we need to radically shift gears now. At best, we can only mitigate the worst effects now and its terrifying.

In the kindest possible way, I don't think you understand.