no limit on child detention, no protection from modern slavery, prison ships for people charged with no crime in the UK

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How the government treat asylum seekers, most of whom will be proven to be genuine refugees, fleeing persecution.

This is not how to treat people fleeing war, torture, threats, persecution

All because THEY ( the government) have messed up the application system, and now have such a back log they cant cope, and don't know where to house the people who are waiting.

How about investing in extra staff to clear the back log of people waiting? Rather than abusing the people waiting?

It's just a vote winning strategy.

YANBU, makes me sick.

Do you think they would even fill a load of temporary immigration positions if they were to create the jobs?

This.

The only thing more depressing than the government trying this ploy is the amount of people who are so desperate to believe it.

Then they need to deploy from elsewhere.

We are talking about children in detention, we are talking about trafficking for modern slavery. We are talking about setting up prison ships for entirely innocent people.

There are civil servants in the department of education sitting around doing nothing. How about using people from the department of culture and media? How is a government department of culture more important than getting children out of detention?

Use the army.

So where would you house the ‘children in detention’ right now?

Plans to redeploy assets are all good except they take time to implement.

Yes the fact that so many people will be happy with all of this dog whistle shit makes me feel sick. Isn’t it obvious it’s just a way for the Government to yet again distract from their failure to run anything properly? Let’s blame refugees for all our problems eh? Instead of telling the bloody truth!

takes time! The government has had YEARS. This problem predates covid.

The children need to be processed. They are sitting waiting to be processed. This is the problem, not what happens after they are processed.

Once they have been processed, they are moved on, to their family, into care, or into independent living.

Most importantly, back into education.

There are civil servants in the department of education sitting around doing nothing

Really?

I don't disagree something needs to be done. But taking people from one area to plug a hole is only going to leave another hole. And what training is required? Legal? Is it paperwork for paperwork sake or more complex?

Army is a good idea, assuming the training can be done easily.

I can personally guarantee that most of the time the department of education does little except get in the way of education

You use the term children, these are unaccompanied minors who have made their way across Europe alone, legally (they claim) to be under 18 but as most don't have birth certificates or passports this has been a tricky area with some "children" ending up being in their 20's but the smugglers tell them to claim to be 16 for better treatment.

We all want genuine refugees to be treated well and granted refuge but the vast majority trying to enter the country are economic migrants not refugees. Our politicians need to devise a better system of temporary work visas applied for before entering the country, for asylum applications to be started before arriving in all but the most exceptional circumstances, then zero tolerance for illegal arrivals

The army idea won't work. They've also run that down to such low numbers that there is no way they could stretch themselves to fixing domestic issues.

The government (and I use that loosely because they haven't actually goverened) is so fucking piss poor that everything in this country needs fixing, and it has to be done with no money because the tories have also managed to rob us blind.

As usual, the government blame the victims for their own inadequacies. Could have taken the French up on their offer of an asylum processing centre in Northern France but they probably wouldn't have bothered staffing that properly either.

I know, it's grotesque, and it doesn't help anyone, including Britain. I've been thinking that we know migration is not going to stop so rather than putting up walls, it makes sense for the UK to create an immigration-positive society and economy. With labour shortages and falling birthrates, we need people to come here and should create safe paths and support people to fill jobs that need doing.

the vast majority trying to enter the country are economic migrants not refugees.

Not true. The vast majority of asylum applications are accepted once processed.

Why are they fleeing persecution?

Most are from Albania,not even in any conflict. The children you are talkig about are young adult males.

UK has big enough problems on its own without taking on rest of the undeveloped worlds problems on

If you exclude Albanians, most people who come here on boats come from countries such as Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran and Syria.

Most refugees are in countries that are near to them. We take very few refugees in comparison to the numbers and we offer very few safe routes.

I can imagine the outcry if we start to refuse asylum for people who have served this country as Afghan translaters, or have suffered terrible abuse in countries such as Iran for standing up for their rights.

We condemn Afghanistan and Iran for their actions in the country but condemn people who try to leave and settle here to escape these actions. We say they should go elsewhere despite the fact that most do go elsewhere.

But people don't here that.

but the vast majority trying to enter the country are economic migrants not refugees.

This is just not true. Where do you get your 'facts' from?

There are adults pretending to be children, sure, but this is a tiny number. There are children with parents, and their are young children alone. I've known children under 10 caught up in this

If you exclude Alabania. then you have many people from Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran and Sudan.

I guess you have heard of the situation in those countries?

Yes, there needs to be a system whereby asylum seekers anywhere in the world can apply to the UN and have their cases assessed, and then be allocated to a country once they have got refugee status. However, if refugees were allocated fairly across the world, obviously the UK would be expected to take far more, so a vote loser for the Tories,

It’s a liberal view to pay for and protect arseholes like Nawaz Shariff - who are wanted for crimes in their country but it’s the British taxpayers who pay for their protection over here.

And yet a lot of people successfully claim asylum.

How many people cross the Channel in small boats and how many claim asylum? - BBC News

So maybe your claim about most being economic migrants might not be true

I'm a retired public sector worker. I am so sick and tired with the idea that;
a] we did nothing, when in reality we worked hard all day.
b] anyone could do the job, when in actual fact I had to know a huge amount about the bit of law I dealt with and quite a lot about other related legislation.
c] another person with no knowledge of the legislation, or who had managed to read through it,knew more than me. I'm talking about your army comment here.
d] it was sooo easy to recruit. It wasn't, if I told you want I actualy did in the day , how much I had to know, that I was up against barristers if challenged, and what I was paid, you would be shocked.
If you want to improve the country then do something about the successive appalling governments we have inflicted on ourselves.
Also realise that people are not truthful, don't be taken in by either side of any argument . The first lesson I learnt was that emotions and emotional responses don't improve situations.