no limit on child detention, no protection from modern slavery, prison ships for people charged with no crime in the UK

[orangeleavesinautumn]

How the government treat asylum seekers, most of whom will be proven to be genuine refugees, fleeing persecution.

This is not how to treat people fleeing war, torture, threats, persecution

All because THEY ( the government) have messed up the application system, and now have such a back log they cant cope, and don't know where to house the people who are waiting.

How about investing in extra staff to clear the back log of people waiting? Rather than abusing the people waiting?

A person/family comes to the UK and claims asylum. Normally they are housed in a facility for that purpose [ it might vary,hotels and privately owned houses are leased for that purpose]. Their claim is dealt with , they are given leave to remain, the visa might be on of any of type including exceptional, indefinite or limited. Once they have that decision they have to leave that facility as it's only intended to be used for those awaiting a decision. That individual or family can then present as homeless to any local authority, where the application will be dealt with in just the same way as any other. The applicant needs to be;
Eligible
Homeless
In priority need.
Homeless unintentionally
And have a local connection.
All applicants have the right to appeal a decision if they feel it's wrong in law. That can go to a judicial review if necessary.
I have ample knowledge of homeless legislation.
Now tell me how they didn't apply as homeless if they were given leave to remain?

Almost nothing in the UK for those here who have slipped under the radar for whatever reason to tackle modern slavery. Car washes, nail bars and other places that should have a licensing system akin to that for pubs (responsible person in law etc).

This isn't what happens with the majority though. The issue isn't with genuine asylum seekers.

These migrants have networks that they disappear into once released. In the area that I grew up in, the high streets and shops are taken over by Turkish, Kurdish, Albanian, whatever fronts. What they do, is all the businesses club together to set up the new person and then they launder drug money through the businesses, and that person has to chip in when the next one comes. It's well known, the police know about it but do nothing. This is how they can expand thier one shop to take up a whole parade eventually too.

I'm from one of the areas that has the highest number of regugees/immigrants housed there and the area is just dog shit now. Prostitutes openly walking the main high street in the middle of the day, regular stabbings and shootings, no commumity.

I wonder how many of the do-gooding hand wringers on this thread actually live in an area that has been decimated by immigration? Very few most probably, its all let them come until they need to be housed where you live, ey?

With regard to Albanian asylum seekers, there's a very interesting documentary about them on the BBC Sounds app.

File on 4, Albanium Exodus.

The imprisonment/torture/execution of Christians is very well documented in Iran. This young man was a successful professional, with a well established career, and is clearly and easily identifiable by pictures on a long standing website associated with his former success. His credentials are further demonstrated in that he was the creative and other skills that would have been needed in his former career. I am not saying too much because obviously I don't want him to be identifies, but his high levels of education knowledge and particular skill set are not common

You realise people will just leave if they're redeployed out of their department to a job they don't want to do? Not only is it very ignorant to assume civil servants sit around doing nothing when there have been big cuts and most people are doing the jobs of more than one person; but they're also not conscripted. The army is at the smallest size for centuries because recruitment and retention is so poor, if you think they should be assigned to do this work then quite frankly you're ridiculous.

I agree this work should be done and the government have had time to plan, but your solutions are worse than the government's.

We do not need to add to our existing population, which is many millions more than the official Government figures

How many millions (+/-10)?

personally, I know civil servants that would do it, and what it the army for? It is there to support the country in times of crisis

There are huge campaign cycles constantly, why aren't they applying if they're interested? No this isn't within the Army's remit, also interesting how you single out the army- what about the navy and RAF? The latter generally has more office based administrative roles.

I'm still interested in the young family who are apparently sleeping on the streets and how they have managed to not be offered housing.

"I'm still interested in the young family who are apparently sleeping on the streets and how they have managed to not be offered housing."

They are actors. Hired by the Labour Party to make the Tories look bad.

@orangeleavesinautumn what is your solution OP?

Should we not be looking at the root causes of the destabilisation of other countries - and why people are fleeing their countries in the first place?

You're not wrong @RunningFromInsanity but I do think there is a more pragmatic and less cruel approach possible!

I thought we all knew that you can't start raving about immigration /asylum seekers unless you have a better solution.
How can you speed up claims of people with no documentation (and possibly lying about their origins).

Interested too. What would you do about the increasing levels of migration we’re about to see here

Although not just here across the Med too

The link you’ve provided does indeed show that the majority of immigrants to this country are not refugees or asylum seekers, who in 2022 made up 18% of all immigrants.

How can you speed up claims of people with no documentation (and possibly lying about their origins)

As said earlier, you can just create another amnesty to make the figures look better ... said to involve 90,000 this year alone:

https://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-daily-telegraph/20230223/281535115178072

Not really prison ships. They can go out to shore with no restrictions.

Maybe the young, fit and healthy men who come over can be given these jobs- 2 birds 1 stone and all that.

I have 2 friends who've just lost their jobs at Stradey Park Hotel in Llanelli due to it closing to house migrants/immigrants/refugees. Go tell them how fortunate they are, especially the one who's a single parent with two children and has now been forced out of her job

@Hecate01 And they are not being given a voice. Not by the MSM Im working class , live in social housing. I live in Braintree Our council has been in the news a lot recently. Scabies has already been found at RAF Wethersfield Not so long ago we were all being told we were monsters if we didnt wear masks JUST IN CASE we had Covid and how unfair it was to pass it on to someone else. The cognitive dissonance is stark

Why would a genuine asylum seeker not claim asylum in France or any other of the numerous countries you would have to travel through to get to the UK from Afghanistan or Syria?

I see it’s time for another round of refugee bullshit bingo.

You do realise that the vast majority of people who immigrate to the UK do it via student or work visas, don't you? 🙄

It's shocking. There needs to be a fast, legal way to apply in the first safe country and then legally travel to uk/ Germany/wherever. It's also shocking that there are huge numbers of uk residents:
homeless
Inadequately housed families/individuals
Families are heavily in debt due to high rent and COL compounding
Adults with mental health problems are untreated
Children with mental health problems are untreated
Children with SEN constantly let down by education
Schools underfunded
Adults need support to live independently
National Health Services is struggling
Police recruitment so below par that we have chickens home to roost
And so on..this list could be long

All needing resources. It's not a race to the bottom, but we need to allow incomers to work, and the expectation is that they are self-supporting .
Maybe set up settlement loans are the way to go. If it's good enough for those wanting education in this country.
Guarantors are a requirement
Skills required for the good of the country are priority.
Dealing with the major problems in this country would be a start before solving world problems and everyone would benefit.

Although MN doesn't like it, honestly, read Mail online comments. There are far more very unwelcoming people than MN perceive. If they perceive incomers getting better treatment, then it will eventually become a problem.

I know one or two of these types that think that the military should be involved, that the navy should blow the 'invaders' out the water, and they are an invasion force as they are young military aged men.
You can't argue with stupid, but stupid can become dangerous, stupid is also contagious.