no limit on child detention, no protection from modern slavery, prison ships for people charged with no crime in the UK

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How the government treat asylum seekers, most of whom will be proven to be genuine refugees, fleeing persecution.

This is not how to treat people fleeing war, torture, threats, persecution

All because THEY ( the government) have messed up the application system, and now have such a back log they cant cope, and don't know where to house the people who are waiting.

How about investing in extra staff to clear the back log of people waiting? Rather than abusing the people waiting?

the trouble is, if refugees are fairly allocated, buy any measure, UK should be taking far more than we are, by some measures, up to 10x more. However, this is not what this thread is about, This is about the government "celebrating" their "victory" in passing laws allowing them to get out of their humane responsibilities to these people sitting waiting in detention in the UK.

They tried to set up an asylum camp for 2000 men in my village of 700. Essentially an open prison as the only place they would be able to go would be the village. I started learning about asylum refugee policy in order to fight it. The problem is the backlog. If they processed applications quickly and actually sent back those not genuine then the tax payer wouldn’t be paying for anyone. Those whose cases were agreed would be supporting themselves by working and becoming integrated in society. Instead they keep people for around 2 years at the tax payers expense. It’s all
optics and they have created the problem in order to appear ‘harsh’ to asylum seekers. Living in a village where this was proposed was honestly awful…it would have changed our lives beyond recognition and the government were very slyly changing the planning laws so they could do what they liked. Although I think we need a practical solution for immigration these large scale camps in all their forms are not the answer either for the poor people inside or the communities they are based in

I have already, but the people who can be housed by volunteers often already have refugee status - contrary to common belief, refugees get no housing, only asylum seekers. Once the claim has been processed, the individual is often homeless.

Asylum seekers have the right to present as homeless and be dealt with under that legislation.

Good to hear from somebody who actually looked in to this.

you seem to have a very strange idea of what happens once someone gets refugee status. They dont get any housing, for example

Sorry I will clarify, once given leave to reamain anyone can present as homeless. I meant to put successful at the beginning[ trying to do two things at once doesn't help!]Those refused may become over stayers and can't be housed.

Of course we all have sympathy for genuine refugees, but there are an awful lot of people abusing our sympathy and posing as refugees.With regard to genuine refugees, with the best will in the world, we can't take them all in

The vast majority of refugees in the world are taken in by neighbouring countries. We don't seem to take many genuine refugees fleeing persecution in France or Ireland

What they need to do is make the UK less appealing. In Spain you don't get any benefits, healthcare, social housing

Well, you clearly know sod all about benefits for asylum seekers....but if you put that aside and think critically about economic migration. How do you think that works? Do you think people living in poor economic conditions wake up one morning and go oh I know, I'll travel.half way round the world on a crowded van, dodging immigration and other legalities all for £80 a week? Or do you think that people in other countries look at a place like the UK, with long, long history of stable democracy, where healthcare and education are free and everyone is able to be someone with hard work, and wish they could have some of that to help support their families? Do you think poor, vulnerable families might club together and send one of their young, strong members with what we know as people traffickers but who present as people offering opportunity, jobs, a passport and visa and a legal means by which to enter the UK? Do you honestly think that every young male economic migrant is here because 'benefits' or because somewhere in their home country is a family hopeful that person will improve their quality of life? Do you think they realised when their family clubbed together to send them that they would be having to risk their lives crossing water in an overloaded dinghy or do you think they might have been a bit naive in believing the streets were paved with gold?

A person who is given leave to remain for any reason, can apply for social housing, so they can join the housing register and can present as homeless. If you don't believe me Shelter provide exactly that information.

I agree with this

asylum seekers have a right to housing, refugees dont

I have 2 friends who've just lost their jobs at Stradey Park Hotel in Llanelli due to it closing to house migrants/immigrants/refugees. Go tell them how fortunate they are, especially the one who's a single parent with two children and has now been forced out of her job.

Then there's the problem with the impact on local services, hospitals are already overstretched (Welsh Labour run no matter how you dress it up), schools are full and the area isn't exactly affluent. Seems like everyone wants them but not in their back yard.

I don't know what the answer is but forcing people into poverty to take people from other countries isn't the answer.

Orangeleaves - Of course nobody wants their husband, brother etc to fight during a war, but sometimes you have to stand up and fight for your country. If it wasn't for our men fighting during WW2 this country would be under a German dictatorship.

People here have very little idea of what happens to refugees once they have refugee status.

I have volunteered for several refugee charities.

You would be surprised at how many refugees sleep rough, considering the views on here - that includes children, even babies and toddlers.

Typical example, parents in their 20s, refugees from Iran, escaped in the clothes they were standing up in when a sympathiser in the police contacted them and warned they were about to be arrested. Their crime was being suspected of Christianity.

Sleeping rough in London with their two year old daughter. Their choice was to keep her on the street with them, or give her up to the care system and possibly never see her again

I know there a saying along the lines of "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity" and there's no doubting many in this government are stupid but, it's really hard to malice in the way they handle this.

I actually heard a tory mp attempt to lay the blame on Labour's door yesterday, and worse, shortly after read similar comments online. Quite how anyone can claim the issue lies with a party who've not been in power for over a decade and not with the party with a 50+ seat majority is beyond me, but facts and truth come second to feelings and bias when it comes to this sort of topic.

I have clarified in my later post, successful asylum seekers i.e those given leave to remain can present as homeless and apply for social housing.

So, clarify how a family have ended up sleeping rough? If applying for asylum they should be housed according to those rules, once given leave to remain they should present as homeless. I have found that they are given that advice , whether they choose to take it is another matter, of course.

The vast majority of asylum applications are accepted once processed

While true, this is complicated by the hundreds of thousands who've benefited from the various amnesties implemented, not to mention the usual bureaucratic urge to wave cases through in order to reduce the numbers/workload

As so often, raw numbers tend not to offer the full picture, though they're pretty popular as something to seize on to make whatever the point is

They are refugees, not asylum seekers, there is no obligation to house them. They have the option of handing their child over into the care system, but no option of housing for the adults

You are very ignorant about the country in which you have chosen to live (quite shockingly so, given that we have a national election on Sunday and there is an enormous amount of discourse about migration at the moment).

I sometimes have to stop myself thinking that this government is actually actively evil.....

And everyone gets a pet unicorn as well?

The ones who drown attempting to cross on boats are the women and children.

Why stop yourself? They are fascists.

I have volunteered for several refugee charities ... Typical example, parents in their 20s, refugees from Iran, escaped in the clothes they were standing up in when a sympathiser in the police contacted them and warned they were about to be arrested. Their crime was being suspected of Christianity

Out of interest, what objective proof do you have that Iran was indeed their country of origin or that any of this actually happened?