no limit on child detention, no protection from modern slavery, prison ships for people charged with no crime in the UK

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How the government treat asylum seekers, most of whom will be proven to be genuine refugees, fleeing persecution.

This is not how to treat people fleeing war, torture, threats, persecution

All because THEY ( the government) have messed up the application system, and now have such a back log they cant cope, and don't know where to house the people who are waiting.

How about investing in extra staff to clear the back log of people waiting? Rather than abusing the people waiting?

Does the general public really believe this? Pig ignorant.

but the vast majority trying to enter the country are economic migrants not refugees

This is soooo untrue - it is what the govt wants you to think

This isnt true, as I said, I personally have met children under 10 caught up in this. Babies and toddlers even

For context:

There are 108,000,000 displaced people in the world of which 35,000,000 are refugees.

UNHCR - Refugee Statistics

We take a tiny tiny tiny fraction compared to the numbers.
Most stay in refugee camps near their home country.

Of course we all have sympathy for genuine refugees, but there are an awful lot of people abusing our sympathy and posing as refugees.
With regard to genuine refugees, with the best will in the world, we can't take them all in. For example, under current rules, anyone fleeing sexual persecution who can prove it will (eventually) be allowed residency. So that means that the entire female and non straight population of, for example, Afghanistan is eligible.

Use the Army for what? Armies are for defence, not some kind of camouflaged miracle workers running around trying to solve the latest governmental fuckup.
The current situation is untenable, fully open doors are not desirable and the answer is hidden somewhere between the two.
The UK is not bound to absorb everyone who wants to come here, genuine cases with a verifiable connection of course, the rest require screening - that's the problem. The screening process is hopelessly inefficient because it's staffed by people who don't really want to do it & given half arsed funding by a government who don't want to do it at all.
There are 3 options - open borders, no screening = chaos,
Closed borders, possibly excepting genuine cases verified abroad before travel - some would say this is too harsh.
Holding all arrivals while they are processed. This is where we are now but if it's going to work it has to be adequately funded and staffed.
You can't have these people running around the country unscreened, potential terrorists or criminals might be among them, as might carriers of diseases we don't have here. There might be other categories of undesirable so we must have screening but it must be fair, timely and done in acceptable conditions.
It must also be enforceable, there needs to be a mechanism for removal of the ones that are not accepted.

Why exclude Albania,they make up
most
of the economical tourists. As for Aganistan,Iran and Iraq- no western conflicts there either, Afganistan is getting rid of us and uk poppy plantations, they have now reduced them by 90 percent where they used to be in kabul area and replaced them with wheat fields. Iran and Iraq are becoming trade partners Which US of course dosent like.

Funny how these refugees are 97 percent males in their prime who should be at home fighting for their county if there is a conflict, who leaves their kids,wife,mum and grandma behind?

Orangeleaves - It needs to be done fairly though depending on geographical size of country and existing population. Our population, although less than France or Germany has increased more percentage wise than those 2 countries in the last 30 years.

Then take the children and the mum,males need to go back to sort their home out so wife and kids can return one day

We all want genuine refugees to be treated well and granted refuge but the vast majority trying to enter the country are economic migrants not refugees.

You keep telling yourself what the Govt and RW press what you to think. Alternatively look at the facts.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn01403/

Exactly.

What they need to do is make the UK less appealing. In Spain you don't get any benefits, healthcare, social housing - if there is any, there isn't where I am - unless you've paid in to the system for at least a year, and then you only get it for a certain amount of time based on how long you've paid in for, I believe. They must have a refugee system, but it's not abused because once processed it's not a free ride, I assume.

Ukrainians were brought here recently but all help was from the community, not the government.

If the UK brought that in, the problem would most likely cure itself.

Culturally I think the idea is that the fittest men go ahead to establish a safe place to bring their wives and family. Sadly it doesn't often work out. Few people would have money to send a whole family.

All the time there is this typical and ridiculous over reaction to this topic, as illustrated here with the hyperbole, nothing will be achieved as it is impossible to have a reasonable debate.
Firstly, they are not "prison ships", inhabitants will be free to come and go as they are anywhere . They're not "proven to be genuine refugees" generally, the useless Home Office can't prove they're not. Which is why many asylum seekers destroy their papers and pretend to be from elsewhere. If you destroy your ID and lie then why would the UK want you?
We do not need to add to our existing population, which is many millions more than the official Government figures. At what point would all of you defending population increases of over half a million a year say enough is enough. I'll wager it's not your communities suffering due to lack of resources, overcrowding etc
Are you actually aware of what's happening in other European countries before slagging off the UK? Walls being built, genuinely right wing politics on the rise (not just "Fuck the Tories"), shanty towns and squalid immigration camps. Go protest outside their embassies

Nonsense, any loving and caring man would sent their wife, kids and mum to the nearest safe country- my homeland has been repeatedly occupied and its the first 50 years of freedom,in our family if our country was at war again my brother and dad would stay at home to look after our home and send female
family members to a safe country,in fact my mum said she wouldnt leave my dad because she has no young children and if her grandchildren would get out of the country she would be happy with that.

now you see hordes of men coming off the boats where they have passed 6 or 7 safe countries,many with similar culture like theirs. No this is being an economic migrant

Op I am sure it will ease some pressure if you have some come and live with you, unless you do already?

OMG, do you really beehive the regurgitated platitudes dribbling out of your mouth!

The vast majority of people applying for asylum in the UK are found to be genuine refugees when their cases are examined

We are not talking about taking them all, We are not even talking about taking our fair share, on this thread,

We are talking about processing the people who are here and waiting, and looking after them in a humane way while they are waiting

ie, protection from human trafficker, and a legal limit to the time a child can be detained! Both of which the government has rejected

endoftheline - What decent man would leave their wife and children in a country at war to find a safer country to take them to. If that was my husband he would make sure that me and the children were taken to safety first. Imagine if that had happened here during World War 2. None of us would be here typing on MN.

are you seriously implying that soldiers in the army are so stupid they could not do your job within 5 years of training?

You realise this has been building up for 5 years, right, and that the first calls to use the army were 5 years ago?

I am sure one or tow of them would have been bright enough to have got the hang of it by now

What they need to do is make the UK less appealing. In Spain you don't get any benefits, healthcare, social housing - if there is any, there isn't where I am - unless you've paid in to the system for at least a year, and then you only get it for a certain amount of time based on how long you've paid in for, I believe. They must have a refugee system, but it's not abused because once processed it's not a free ride, I assume

So...you believe and you assume....but you don't actually know

As an european citizen if refugees can claim child benefit they are better off than europeans with uk residency, i cant claim child benefit for my children born in the uk because of my nationality lol,my husband has volunteered to give it up twice and they have turned it down

You seem to be making stats up on the spot.
Have to go to work but I am sure someone will be telling you the actual stats during this thread.

Our politicians need to devise a better system of temporary work visas applied for before entering the country, for asylum applications to be started before arriving in all but the most exceptional circumstances, then zero tolerance for illegal arrivals

yes I agree we need legal routes for people to claim asylum or apply to come here to work if they have family here already.

And those who are already here should not be shut up in hotels or prison ships, but taught English, their skills audited, and found paid work. There are plenty of jobs, both skilled and unskilled, that they could be doing. What's the point of them sitting around doing nothing?

1 - what is the relevance of whether there are western conflicts in a particular country or not?

2 - I seriously question your information on agriculture in Afghanistan - global warming has destroyed the fruit crops, which traditionally Afghans have relied on economically, and for food - and guess who has contributed more to global warming between you personally, and the average refugee from Afghanistan. You realise the collapse of crops is a major contributor to political instability all over the world. So if you own a car, take flights for leisure, use central heating, waste plastic, etc etc etc you are directly implicated

3- 97 % of refugees are not young men- that is a media lie designed to erode sympathy

4- why should young men stay in their country and fight anyway? How about your son, your brother, your partner - would you think they should stay and die for one dictator or another? or attempt to reach safety, as any human has the right to, male or female, young or old.

What I don't understand is that often the same people who rant on and on about the government control, the WEF, big pharma, MSM, etc, will do a 180, swallow any old propaganda and become the government's biggest supporter the moment it suits one of their biases.

Is it too much to ask for just a little bit of consistency from the right?

Oh come of it! It seems that you expect the army to deal with everything. You think, along with others , that they can be up to date on regulations/laws about this and countless other things. It's as ridiculous as thinking that I could be an army officer, and a plumber, and a social worker, and countless other specialist jobs. The answer is that people learn ho to do a job and do that job, not get pulled in to another job, often quite badly. It's along the lines of people criticising social workers, because after all that just takes a bit of common sense doesn't it? No need to have any knowledge of legislation.
Generally speaking, most people have no idea what has to be considered, what the legislation actually says, what caselaw says, what challenges might be brought, how to deal with that, and lots more. If it's so simple then I suggest people who think that should apply to do the job.