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My mother keeps shaming my DS, AIBU?

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madamdoodle · 16/07/2023 20:51

Sorry for the incredibly long post.

Basically, as the title says- my mother keeps shaming my DS and we’ve fallen out after I brought this to her attention. AIBU?

She generally has a very good relationship with my 3yo DS and has looked after him once a week since last Christmas and he loves her to bits. The only thing is is that she regularly shames him.. examples being she has held him in front of a mirror when he was crying as a 1yo and said “look how ugly you are when you cry” or when he has thrown a toy at her dog, instead of talking to him about unacceptable behaviour she will say things like “that was weird. You’re really weird” in a really bitchy tone or call him “uncool”.

I brought this to her attention as kindly as possible when out for coffee explaining that I thought shaming was a learned safety mechanism also used by my grandmother and my mother was doing it subconsciously without malice- she said that if she was damaging him so badly she wouldn’t ever look after him again and left. We’ve had a brief text since and she said that I have been very clear about how I thought she was a bad mother and so it’s very painful that I was also calling her a bad grandmother.

She was not a good mother to me or my siblings- had children by accident v young at the start of a v promising future. She’s professionally brilliant and was always very driven and didn’t want her children to get in the way of that. My father would beat us with a wooden spoon when we were little, we had 7 different nannies over the years and she went to work in another city 4 days a week when I was 12. They would party all weekend taking class As for days which I got into at a young age because of them and because I was struggling with childhood sexual abuse- i would take drugs with my parents from the age of about 15. I got expelled from school at 16 and went off the rails. My parents set no boundaries and I would often be out of contact for weeks on end which wouldn’t bother them.

Even with such terrible modelling she was always very disappointed that we didn’t excel at anything and would always criticise and shame us which left me furious at how she could behave so badly yet try and make us feel so terrible. I’ve always been angry at her and she’s always felt that I was a horrible DD- when I’ve tried to talk to her about my childhood, she’d blow into a emotional hailstorm and lock herself in her room or call me a little bitch saying that “other people had it much worse and you weren’t burnt with cigarettes!”

Fast forward a few years and she’s cleaned up her act and is now an activist and for the most part doesn’t party anymore. I have spent many years in therapy sorting my life out and getting to a good place and always tried to maintain a relationship with my family. My DS doesn’t really have a relationship with my DF as he’s uninterested in DCs and my MIL is dead so I want to nurture this relationship but I can’t let history repeat itself with her shaming my DS.

AIBU for calling her out on this as my DF says I am. Am I letting my own childhood and subsequent anger get in the way of their otherwise lovely relationship?

OP posts:
GammonAndEggs · 16/07/2023 20:54

Good God. I wouldn’t let her anywhere near him.

JazzyBBG · 16/07/2023 20:58

She's unhinged. The drugs have addled her brain.

TaigaSno · 16/07/2023 21:00

Why on earth are you letting her anywhere near your child unsupervised? She sounds toxic. Find alternative childcare and keep your mother at arms length.

muddlingthrou · 16/07/2023 21:02

It's not worth the free childcare - protect your son x

Sceptre86 · 16/07/2023 21:02

I just don't understand your post. You want through all of that and are allowing her around your child? People do change but she sounds horrid. I'd protect my child and appreciate the relationship you want with her or her to have with your son will never happen.

PipinwasAuntieMabelsdog · 16/07/2023 21:02

This is not a healthy dynamic for your DC to be in OP. You can break cycles of abuse, but you have to acknowledge it and make changes.

Floppyelf · 16/07/2023 21:04

Your mother is living evil. Distance yourself. You haven’t yet fully healed. You’re in a temporary survival mode because of your DS. Distance massively and work on yourself and see her for what she is. A piece of shit. Before any posters pile on I think your father is a piece of shit too and you deserved to be loved, protected and nurtured. She will never change or be the mother you deserve. Let them die and rot in the ground. Move on with your life. Grieve for what you did not have and move on. Your relationship with your DS is miles better by the sounds of it. Can you fully disengage from her? You cannot be the only person who had parents like that? There must be survivor groups?

willingtolearn · 16/07/2023 21:04

I would not let her spend time alone with your son.

If she continues to behave in this negative and harmful way to you both I would consider limited contact.

She is not taking any responsibility for her actions instead choosing to blame you and your child.

How does your son benefit from spending time with her? How do you?

Correlation · 16/07/2023 21:05

I’m so sorry you went through all that OP. I personally could not let my son be exposed to that toxicity. I do understand how complicated it can be though.

EsmeSusanOgg · 16/07/2023 21:05

Better no grandparent relationship than a toxic one. She is abusive. Do not let her abuse your son!

EezyOozy · 16/07/2023 21:07

i am speaking as someone with a toxic abusive mother and stepfather , and both of my in laws are dead … and I have two small children and struggle : I wouldn’t let her look after my child. My mother and her husband have no contact with my children. Why are you trying to “nurture” this?!

Thunderisntnicebythebeach · 16/07/2023 21:07

My dm was a rubbish dm. She doesn't see my dc.
I am quite particular who they have in their lives...

Floppyelf · 16/07/2023 21:07

Also because you were neglected at such a vulnerable age, a part of you will always seek maternal familiarity or parental familiarity. You should remember that you already have someone amazing in your life…. You. You survived and broke the cycle. You don’t need anyone’s approval and save your DS as well.

Wolfiefan · 16/07/2023 21:08

This is in no way a “lovely” relationship. She’s toxic and will damage your child if you let her.

UpaladderwatchingTV · 16/07/2023 21:10

I wouldn't be letting her have contact with my child OP, and I am a grandparent, and great grandmother. She sounds absolutely vile, and even if she has done work on herself, the fact that she behaves like this with your DS, shows she hasn't done enough. Keep him away from her, he doesn't deserve it anymore than you did!

ThinWomansBrain · 16/07/2023 21:10

I'm failing to understand why you think she is an ideal person to deliver childcare?

Cherrysoup · 16/07/2023 21:10

Why on earth do you let her in the same airspace as your child after your childhood?!

Aquamarine1029 · 16/07/2023 21:13

examples being she has held him in front of a mirror when he was crying as a 1yo and said “look how ugly you are when you cry”

Jesus, op, your mother is a fucking monster. Why are you inflicting her upon your child? You shouldn't even be communicating with her. Your judgement here is way off.

TomatoSandwiches · 16/07/2023 21:14

I wouldn't let her or your father near your precious little boy ever again.
They are the absolute worse kind of parents, we're actually abusive and neglectful, never apologise for it and then expect you to forget and forgive the past whilst doing not much worse to their own grandchildren and being offended when called out.
She isn't actually that smart is she.

BunnyBettChetwynd · 16/07/2023 21:16

Aquamarine1029 · 16/07/2023 21:13

examples being she has held him in front of a mirror when he was crying as a 1yo and said “look how ugly you are when you cry”

Jesus, op, your mother is a fucking monster. Why are you inflicting her upon your child? You shouldn't even be communicating with her. Your judgement here is way off.

This.

I've just read this book about the terrible childhood Ronnie Archer-Morgan had because of his abusive mother. Your mother reminded me precisely of Ronnie's mother. Please do not let your mother near your DS - she will cause him harm that will last a lifetime. https://www.penguin.co.uk/authors/287738/ronnie-archer-morgan

Ronnie Archer-Morgan

Ronnie Archer-Morgan has worked in the antiques business for over 30 years. He learned the tricks of the antiques trade by exploring local shops and markets whilst working a variety of jobs including technical model maker, DJ, a boutique manager and ce...

https://www.penguin.co.uk/authors/287738/ronnie-archer-morgan

Redshoeblueshoe · 16/07/2023 21:17

What are you thinking ? She shouldn't be any where near children

WaltzingWaters · 16/07/2023 21:18

Please don’t keep this toxic person in you DS’s life. Certainly not unsupervised.
you've done something amazing and broken the cycle of her abuse. Don’t let her ruin you or your DS any more than she already has.

Allinadayswork80 · 16/07/2023 21:20

She sounds awful, as a mother, a grandmother and a person. I wouldn’t want her in my child’s life. And what would she know about whether a child is “weird” - she was barely there for your upbringing!
Also, the fact that she’s willing to walk out of her grandson's life so easily says more about her. If she truly loved him and wanted to be in his life she’d take on board your comments and adjust, but she sounds selfish and self absorbed. If she’s said these things to your DS in front of you, imagine the damage she’s doing when you’re not there. Step away and protect yourself and your DS. Poor you for your upbringing and such a horrible mother.

Beelezebub · 16/07/2023 21:22

The only thing you’re unreasonable about is letting her have any contact with him at all.

IsThePopeCatholic · 16/07/2023 21:24

Keep your ds well away from your mum. She’s a dangerous person.

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