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My mother keeps shaming my DS, AIBU?

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madamdoodle · 16/07/2023 20:51

Sorry for the incredibly long post.

Basically, as the title says- my mother keeps shaming my DS and we’ve fallen out after I brought this to her attention. AIBU?

She generally has a very good relationship with my 3yo DS and has looked after him once a week since last Christmas and he loves her to bits. The only thing is is that she regularly shames him.. examples being she has held him in front of a mirror when he was crying as a 1yo and said “look how ugly you are when you cry” or when he has thrown a toy at her dog, instead of talking to him about unacceptable behaviour she will say things like “that was weird. You’re really weird” in a really bitchy tone or call him “uncool”.

I brought this to her attention as kindly as possible when out for coffee explaining that I thought shaming was a learned safety mechanism also used by my grandmother and my mother was doing it subconsciously without malice- she said that if she was damaging him so badly she wouldn’t ever look after him again and left. We’ve had a brief text since and she said that I have been very clear about how I thought she was a bad mother and so it’s very painful that I was also calling her a bad grandmother.

She was not a good mother to me or my siblings- had children by accident v young at the start of a v promising future. She’s professionally brilliant and was always very driven and didn’t want her children to get in the way of that. My father would beat us with a wooden spoon when we were little, we had 7 different nannies over the years and she went to work in another city 4 days a week when I was 12. They would party all weekend taking class As for days which I got into at a young age because of them and because I was struggling with childhood sexual abuse- i would take drugs with my parents from the age of about 15. I got expelled from school at 16 and went off the rails. My parents set no boundaries and I would often be out of contact for weeks on end which wouldn’t bother them.

Even with such terrible modelling she was always very disappointed that we didn’t excel at anything and would always criticise and shame us which left me furious at how she could behave so badly yet try and make us feel so terrible. I’ve always been angry at her and she’s always felt that I was a horrible DD- when I’ve tried to talk to her about my childhood, she’d blow into a emotional hailstorm and lock herself in her room or call me a little bitch saying that “other people had it much worse and you weren’t burnt with cigarettes!”

Fast forward a few years and she’s cleaned up her act and is now an activist and for the most part doesn’t party anymore. I have spent many years in therapy sorting my life out and getting to a good place and always tried to maintain a relationship with my family. My DS doesn’t really have a relationship with my DF as he’s uninterested in DCs and my MIL is dead so I want to nurture this relationship but I can’t let history repeat itself with her shaming my DS.

AIBU for calling her out on this as my DF says I am. Am I letting my own childhood and subsequent anger get in the way of their otherwise lovely relationship?

OP posts:
Asiama · 17/07/2023 08:17

You are underplaying her behaviour because from a young age you have been conditioned to see this as "normal" or at least "not that bad". As a stranger reading about this, without the conditioning you have endured, I can tell you that your mum comes across as very very bad and your dad is just enabling it. Keep your son safe from her. Yes it's sad, but exposing yourself and your son to this is even more sad.

TimeIhadaNameChange · 17/07/2023 08:17

It's sad when you have to protect your children from your own parents, especially when they believe they did their best for you. Luckily I live too far away from my mother to make this difficult and I'm sure you'll find it easier after you move, once you get more therapy.

BunnyBettChetwynd · 17/07/2023 08:40

I wanted to fix it.

Oh OP......you can't fix another person however much you want to. Some people are beyond fixing. I spent decades wishing things could be right/easy/nice/fixed with my parents. I'm 58 now and they are both dead. There was and is no way of fixing the situation.

You can only live your own life and it sounds to me as though you, your DH & DS have made a wonderful life for yourself. Enjoy that and move on as any time you spend trying to 'fix' someone else truly is wasted.

Lacucuracha · 17/07/2023 09:16

If she’s capable of this, she’s capable of much more when she has sole charge of DS.

Leave him alone with her at your peril.

I wouldn’t run around after her. If she gets in touch and apologises I would allow minimal supervised contact.

pillsthrillsandbellyache · 17/07/2023 09:32

Yes, I do tell him that it’s not true. I also hope that the way me, my DH and friends talk and interact with him shows him how deeply he’s loved and respected and that her words just bounce off him because it’s not how he’s been raised

This is really sad, if you have to consciously hope that the other adults loving your son will repair the damage your mum does then it's not healthy is it? Keep him away from her.

thecatsthecats · 17/07/2023 09:59

I agree with what other posters have said, but just want to add something regarding how you talked to her, explaining your thought processes etc and generational abuse.

I would honestly say that that was a bad idea. You were never going to change her with that conversation. Whatever value you've had out of your therapy, you can only apply it to you and your thought processes. You will never be able to apply it to another person.

I only say this because you have been through a lot, and coped with a lot. But you can't get another person to change the same way. I'm sorry.

(My own mum wasn't great on a much smaller scale, so I can still have a good relationship with her - but it was having her own therapy that helped, not anything I did.)

thecatsthecats · 17/07/2023 10:01

Oh, and my mum had abusive/neglectful parents too.

And we still had to visit them. Whilst I wasn't abused or neglected by them, even as a young child I could tell how fucked up the dynamic was and wondered why we had to do this visit that made nobody happy.

UtterlyUnimaginativeUsername · 17/07/2023 10:10

You're not doing him any favours by exposing him to her twisted behaviour. I understand exactly where you're coming from but you can't give your your son a relationship with the person you wish your mother was. Keep him safe from her, she'll damage him.

zingally · 17/07/2023 10:13

I'm amazed you've let her (and presumably your father - who sounds just as bad?) have as much contact with your DS as you have.

TBH, I wasn't THAT shocked by the two incidents you described. I've certainly called my children's behaviour "weird" in the past.

But when you consider all the background... I think you've done well to have the incidents as mild as they have been.

All of that considered, I don't think I'd ever have let the parents have unsupervised access to any child of mine.

Floppyelf · 17/07/2023 10:26

Get him a hamster if you want him to foster a better relationship

TheoTheopolis23 · 17/07/2023 11:03

she has held him in front of a mirror when he was crying as a 1yo and said “look how ugly you are when you cry”

Sick in the head bitch.

Oioicaptain · 17/07/2023 22:31

she has held him in front of a mirror when he was crying as a 1yo and said “look how ugly you are when you cry”

Unfortunately this phrase was quite common amongst my grandparents generation. I remember my grandmother using it. It was supposedly done with the intention of trying to get the child to stop, look at their reflection and take pause. I don't see her mum as being evil or a bitch. It's just of another time, back when smacking was also considered an acceptable form of punishment! Thankfully most people have moved on and have a much better understanding of how to nurture children.

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