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My mother keeps shaming my DS, AIBU?

87 replies

madamdoodle · 16/07/2023 20:51

Sorry for the incredibly long post.

Basically, as the title says- my mother keeps shaming my DS and we’ve fallen out after I brought this to her attention. AIBU?

She generally has a very good relationship with my 3yo DS and has looked after him once a week since last Christmas and he loves her to bits. The only thing is is that she regularly shames him.. examples being she has held him in front of a mirror when he was crying as a 1yo and said “look how ugly you are when you cry” or when he has thrown a toy at her dog, instead of talking to him about unacceptable behaviour she will say things like “that was weird. You’re really weird” in a really bitchy tone or call him “uncool”.

I brought this to her attention as kindly as possible when out for coffee explaining that I thought shaming was a learned safety mechanism also used by my grandmother and my mother was doing it subconsciously without malice- she said that if she was damaging him so badly she wouldn’t ever look after him again and left. We’ve had a brief text since and she said that I have been very clear about how I thought she was a bad mother and so it’s very painful that I was also calling her a bad grandmother.

She was not a good mother to me or my siblings- had children by accident v young at the start of a v promising future. She’s professionally brilliant and was always very driven and didn’t want her children to get in the way of that. My father would beat us with a wooden spoon when we were little, we had 7 different nannies over the years and she went to work in another city 4 days a week when I was 12. They would party all weekend taking class As for days which I got into at a young age because of them and because I was struggling with childhood sexual abuse- i would take drugs with my parents from the age of about 15. I got expelled from school at 16 and went off the rails. My parents set no boundaries and I would often be out of contact for weeks on end which wouldn’t bother them.

Even with such terrible modelling she was always very disappointed that we didn’t excel at anything and would always criticise and shame us which left me furious at how she could behave so badly yet try and make us feel so terrible. I’ve always been angry at her and she’s always felt that I was a horrible DD- when I’ve tried to talk to her about my childhood, she’d blow into a emotional hailstorm and lock herself in her room or call me a little bitch saying that “other people had it much worse and you weren’t burnt with cigarettes!”

Fast forward a few years and she’s cleaned up her act and is now an activist and for the most part doesn’t party anymore. I have spent many years in therapy sorting my life out and getting to a good place and always tried to maintain a relationship with my family. My DS doesn’t really have a relationship with my DF as he’s uninterested in DCs and my MIL is dead so I want to nurture this relationship but I can’t let history repeat itself with her shaming my DS.

AIBU for calling her out on this as my DF says I am. Am I letting my own childhood and subsequent anger get in the way of their otherwise lovely relationship?

OP posts:
caringcarer · 16/07/2023 21:25

muddlingthrou · 16/07/2023 21:02

It's not worth the free childcare - protect your son x

This. Not good Nanny material.

Grimbelina · 16/07/2023 21:28

"otherwise lovely relationship"

OP it really isn't.

I am so sad that you had such a truly dreadful childhood... but you need more/better therapy and need to realise that your parents shouldn't be anywhere near your son. It is very worrying that you even considered that they would be people suitable for childcare.

Mummyoflittledragon · 16/07/2023 21:31

Please get alternate childcare. Your mother sounds very damaging. Perhaps she is reliving what she learned. You otoh have escaped the cycle so congratulations for not passing this on to the next generation. If you want to allow your ds to see her, it should always be supervised.

Atethehalloweenchocs · 16/07/2023 21:33

You have a DH problem if he is not supportive of your point of view. What on earth is his rationale? Your mothers over reaction is very telling, and does not bode well for her to be able to really care for a child appropriately.

BoohooWoohoo · 16/07/2023 21:33

Yabu to try and nurture this relationship at all costs. She is already damaging your ds and the only way to stop the cycle of abuse is for you to take control and remove ds from that cycle.

winterchills · 16/07/2023 21:39

Stop un supervised contact between them now! She sounds awful!!

Stillcantbebothered · 16/07/2023 21:41

I didn’t read last the second paragraph, keep him away from her if not he will grow up damaged with trauma.

BathroomOnTheRight · 16/07/2023 21:43

It sounds like you are going through the F.O.G . Fear, Obligation, and Guilt and that's why you choose to try to keep a relationship with her. But she hasn't changed. She won't change. She will not recognise the damage she has done, and she plays the victim whenever she's called on it. Now, she is repeating the exact same abuse only to your son. You need to go NC, and get her out of your and your son's life permanently. She is too dangerous to have any contact with your son ever. Don't let her hurt your son like she hurt you. Put your son first and get her out of your life forever. Only then, will your son be safe and you can truly heal.

OhComeOnFFS · 16/07/2023 21:44

You need to keep her away from your son, otherwise she will treat him exactly as she treated you.

flowergirl2020 · 16/07/2023 21:48

She sounds an absolute horror. Can't have been easy for you to work your way through everything that happens. I can see why you want your DS to have a relationship with her but if she's going to get the hump because you have healthy boundaries and are protecting him... well she can get to f* quite frankly. You're being a good mum xx

itsmylife7 · 16/07/2023 21:48

Do not let that women near your precious child anymore.

I couldn't imagine treating my precious GC remotely like that.

Conkersinautumn · 16/07/2023 21:48

She's notnworth a second of your day. She sounds like she's actually still addicted with that sort of turning on a.penny hot and cold moodiness

Hibiscrubbed · 16/07/2023 21:52

She really damaged you. Don’t let her damage him.

continentallentil · 16/07/2023 21:54

She sounds cracked.

Fond alternative childcare. By all means let her see him but supervised with very short bursts alone.

Tell her clearly what’s acceptable and what isn’t, and tell him the same in age appropriate language, and keep an eye on it.

DeeLasVegas · 16/07/2023 21:55

So after being raised by a bloody awful mother you thought it was a good idea to let her around your DS?

Remember - circumstances change, people don’t!!

WandaWonder · 16/07/2023 21:55

So you are repeating issues by using her as a baby sitter?

FlowersInTheSky · 16/07/2023 21:57

There is absolutely no way this woman should be anywhere near your child. I can’t believe she did that to him when he was 1 and two years later she has him regularly unsupervised.

What are you thinking?

10HailMarys · 16/07/2023 21:59

Neither your DS or you should be anywhere near your parents. They’re vile and abusive.

Startyabastard · 16/07/2023 21:59

I have a very dysfunctional mother that abused me. An author called Peg Streep writes books on this very thing and they are very good.
I never knew anyone else had this problem growing up because people used to ask me if I was sure or not and my dad used to pretend it wasn't happening.
If I had a child (I'm too damaged to do so), then I wouldnt let them near her.
People can change but it has to be on their own terms and it is generally quite rare.

Hungrycaterpillarsmummy · 16/07/2023 21:59

Your relationship with your mum only goes well when things go her way. When you do things she likes when you talk about things she seems worthy.
You have to tiptoe around her otherwise she isn't interested or explodes.

Fuck that.

Don't nurture this.

Marshmar · 16/07/2023 22:00

I would drop my hours at work or pay anything but leave your poor child with your mum. You don't even know what happens when you are not present.

She sounds terrible and there has been no change. RUN and take your child with you!

pimplesquisher · 16/07/2023 22:01

Why are you letting her look after him??

madamdoodle · 16/07/2023 22:06

Thanks for your responses although painful to read most of them. I was hoping she was different now and would have a different relationship to the one we had… I wanted something better for him but I have stopped the regular childcare and am actually moving away so she won’t be seeing us as much. It makes me really sad to think we’re all missing out on having a mother/grandmother in our lives but you’re right I probably need to process this more in therapy.

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thaegumathteth · 16/07/2023 22:06

Honestly don't understand why she's ever had unsupervised contact with your ds. This can be an ideal reason to stop that. I know it must hurt but don't pass down the trauma.

sentinent · 16/07/2023 22:09

It's difficult to accept that your DS will not have the relationship you hoped for with your mum. If he owes, the cycle will not be broken.