To think it is wrong for teachers to scream and shout at students

[Scotlandma]

i was thinking today about the behavior of teachers when I was in school (10 years ago) and how some teachers would scream and shout sometimes in students faces.

it never happened to me but I was definitely scared of becoming the target.

does that still happen today? I have a young DC and can’t imagine a teacher screaming or shouting at him I think I’d have the police, ofstead and the department for education on the line!

And I feel I must add that I agree with a pp about children responding better to a lower, firmer tone of voice. And I would argue that isn't shouting in the way I think the OP means in this thread.

Screaming in a child's face is abuse.

Yep.

I have known primary teachers and primary headteachers who were so incredible nasty, shaming some of the dc, of course they'd have their darlings too, very old fashioned and embarrassing really.

They were just angry people abusing their power to shame individual kids who through their behaviour had provoked them.

It's abusive.

Shaming and excessive shouting is pathetic.

Yes, it still happens routinely. It’s unhelpful and unprofessional.

As a teen if I got an inkling that a teacher was in any way nervous or highly strung I would enjoy winding them up. So I don’t blame them if they shout!
Why are people on MNet so robotic? I shout if I’m annoyed or passionate. So what?

Some teachers are abusive to their pupils. I feel sorry for the decent teachers who have to work alongside them and get tarred with the same brush.

When one of my sons was in primary school I got a phone call from a concerned parent before my son got home from school. She had just collected her child from school who was very upset after seeing how a bitch teacher and that's a polite word for her would spend the day screaming into my son's face.

It had been going on for a few days and my son hadn't told us. I spoke with a few different parents and they all had the same thing to say. We had a meeting with the principal and she was in attendance and had the brass neck to say she doesn't shout at children. I had to point out to her that she lived five doors from me and the way she shouted at her children like a fishwife was well discussed amongst the neighbours and that a garda was dropping his children to me one morning and heard her screaming at her children. I never had a problem with her after that and I know from some of the staff that she wasn't liked by them.

At the same perspective, who were the teachers that most were more behaved for ?

I teacher really shouted at me once at secondary school. But he was dying of cancer and I was a cheeky arse so I probably deserved it.
I'd never have told my mum. She'd have done more than shout at me! 😄

@Quoria …I clearly have seen why children get up to I like 99% of people in the uk have attended school myself.

people using examples of children throwing chairs or teenagers being aggressive but that’s not normal behavior and more times than not children who lash out usually have additional needs and whilst I don’t have any professional training I don’t think shouting in their face is the solution..

and children being cheeky isn’t a reason to shout at them either obviously shouting to be quiet at a class is different

I think teachers should behave the same way towards the students as they would if there parents were present because you can definitely tell some one off without shouting and like a few other teachers have said it’s a loss of control

You have been in a school as a pupil so that basically makes you know all about teaching.

I have been in surgery before, as a patient, so I can probably understand the job of surgeon pretty well too I guess.

Bonus points because you were a literal child the last time you were in a classroom.

No they don’t.

Authorities have to be united.

Any teacher will tell you half the reason children are atrociously behaved is because they know their parents will have their back and zero consequences at home

I mean go ahead and do the understanding parenting rubbish but don’t start a thread in 25 years to say your kid can’t hold down a job because they can’t take a bad appraisal or do as they’re told

OP, you seem very cross about something that hasn't actually happened yet!

My school has a no-shouting policy. We do sometimes use firm voices but shouting is a no-no. It does show a lack of control if used all the time.

Well, unless a child is in imminent danger. I shouted at a child because he was doing something immensely stupid - he was sitting on an upstairs railing with a considerable drop and dicking about. Yes, I would have done that in front of his parents as he could have seriously hurt himself.

Who knows? Perhaps you'll find a lovely school like mine for your DC. We do exist!! Not all teachers are shouty harridans..

The respectful ones.

people using examples of children throwing chairs or teenagers being aggressive but that’s not normal behavior

Until recently I worked in education.

Sadly it’s very typical behaviour. You really have no idea. How we were 20/30 years ago isn’t a patch on how kids behave now. Not even close.

From my experience it was the ones that ruled the classroom with a more military approach, and a stern personality.

When I worked in education I knew shouty teacher but never heard of a teacher screaming in a child’s face.

I did know of teachers being called sexist and racist terms, of them being assaulted, belittled and having an entire 35 minute lesson purposefully disrupted by just 1 pupil. If only they’d popped onto MN and asked for a non-teacher POV and they would have known that they just should have heard the pupil’s side of the story first. All the behavioural problems in school could be sorted in a less than a term! Hurrah!

I agree.

A lot of young teachers come in and seem to seek out popularity. They don’t have as many pupils behaving for them IME!

When I was at school the huge Science teacher kicked a 11 year old boy in the small of his back and he went crashing head first into the lockers and went to hospital. He absolutely booted him across the room.

I've never forgotten it. The whole class froze. Nothing was done.

They still talk about it now on Facebook. Follow your gut OP.

Follow her gut to what - she doesn’t even have a child in school

@Newname211 your point is void because firstly the majority of people finish school at 17 18 so no I was literally not a child the last time I was in a class room

you’ve also obviously never had a serious health condition because often patients do know more than their doctors about the condition they have

@WeetabixTowels we’re clearly not in the same category as I’ve stated I was last in school 10 years ago not 30 also teachers are not special they can be racist and sexist I’m not sure what point your trying to make but the teachers your referring to don’t sound like very good teachers

I’m also not annoyed at all this topic isn’t about my ds I compared it to how school was when I was younger

@Sweetashunni do you work? What job do you need to be able to withstand being shouted in your face at in your reviews???

In life obviously

I still hate my Physics master for doing this. I left school in 1974.

I’m well aware of when people finish school. However you are well aware that those who are likely to be “yelled at” leave school at 16, since that is the end of compulsory schooling.

I do have a serious health condition too so again, you are wrong. Google does not replicate a medical degree.