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To find most Brits bemusingly obedient?

238 replies

Torven · 15/07/2023 14:24

Most, not all!

But most would queue themselves into an early grave if a perceived (not even actual) authority figure ordered them to.

Why do they obey the "you must scan your receipt before exiting the self service area" rule in supermarkets? No you don't, Sainsbury's isn't going to hold you hostage in a castle dungeon until you comply.

Another thread on here about "requiring evidence" if your kid is sick so they're "allowed" to be off school? All these folk scrabbling about taking photos of thermometers oh I HOPE THE HEAD THINKS THIS IS ENOUGH 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭. Tell the head to feck right off.

Most rules can just be ignored and if enough people ignore the stupid ones they'll disappear. You're making it worse for everyone by going along with them.

OP posts:
Callyem · 15/07/2023 15:34

uglybettty · 15/07/2023 15:33

I've never been in a shop where there are barriers and you have to scan your receipt to leave.

Sainsbury's are mid roll out. They have them in mine but are too high to step over unless I want a metal wedgie.

ForeverFriendsAndPierrot · 15/07/2023 15:34

uglybettty · 15/07/2023 15:33

I've never been in a shop where there are barriers and you have to scan your receipt to leave.

Me either! 😆

But starting an inventive goady thread will brighten up a Dullards, dull day for them....bless

Jujubes5 · 15/07/2023 15:37

Well there are reasons 600,000 immigrants wanted to come here and a reasonably ordered life is one of them.

UrsulaBelle · 15/07/2023 15:38

The exit barriers at the self service tills appeared in my local Sainsbury’s about a month ago. I really can’t see the problem. Fewer thefts should mean lower prices, but I guess probably bigger profits. TBH, I tend to use the handful of manned tills to keep those people in employment.

LakeTiticaca · 15/07/2023 15:39

gamerchick · 15/07/2023 14:51

Another slag the English off thread?

Tbh OP, you sound like you've been foiled shoplifting. Go to a shop without barriers.

My thoughts exactly. Insert any other country/culture instead of Britain and the buttock clenchers will be out in force howling racism,bigotry.

Anyone not happy with how we Brits do things might want to emigrate to China or North Korea.
And disobey the rules.........

WeetabixTowels · 15/07/2023 15:40

Can someone explain the Sainsburys thing? It hasn’t happened in my store yet! Do you have to scan the receipt or do they actually check your bags?!

Yet another reason to go to a manned checkout

Prescottdanni123 · 15/07/2023 15:42

So if I can't step over the barrier, I have to find a member of staff, which would take a good 5-10 mins at my local sainsburys at best, take them away from what they are doing and get them to open the barrier. It is much more quicker and easier to just scan the receipt.

In turns of queueing, it is not a case of who is most deserving, it is first come first served.

And with schools, it is sometimes less aggro to just give them what they ask for.

With the EU, we are a small island and therefore have small island syndrome. We don't like feeling like we are being pushed around which is why a lot of people didn't like an archaic authority like the EU and voted to leave. The fact that we queue politely and scan our receipts and comply schools doesn't mean that we are easily pushed around. Adolph Hitler found that out the hard way.

StefanosHill · 15/07/2023 15:42

Torven · 15/07/2023 15:08

People who shoplift are hungry. I don't feel any particular annoyance towards them. I do feel annoyance that Sainsbury's decided to respond to this by trying to waste my time and energy.

Top tip, bags ovwr the other side then step over (I'm five six and can do it) or sit on the barrier and spin your legs round. Little wave for the security guard as you go.

Ha at that, if you do that’s pretty funny but no thanks

Callyem · 15/07/2023 15:43

WeetabixTowels · 15/07/2023 15:40

Can someone explain the Sainsburys thing? It hasn’t happened in my store yet! Do you have to scan the receipt or do they actually check your bags?!

Yet another reason to go to a manned checkout

No bag checking, just proof you have paid for SOMETHING, thus useless. I get the irritation by them as they are effectively useless, but the effort expended to avoid a receipt scan is more than the effort expended by receipt scanning so what's the point!

waterlego · 15/07/2023 15:43

Top tip, bags ovwr the other side then step over (I'm five six and can do it) or sit on the barrier and spin your legs round. Little wave for the security guard as you go.

To find most Brits bemusingly obedient?
WeetabixTowels · 15/07/2023 15:44

I feel like a need a diagram or picture of these barriers

PriOn1 · 15/07/2023 15:46

Budikka · 15/07/2023 15:27

The person asked a question, made a suggestion - which, incidentally, has historical merit and is the sort of question which could well be used for the basis of a debate at a history society or even the Oxford Union.

When you studied at school, were you allowed to just say "This is ridiculous" to merited questions of history, economics, etc. What if you have a debate at home about history? There is the further point that the person's hypothetical suggestion could be applied to the silent majority, who did indeed go along with the Nazis. I am not sure if you have studied totalitarian states much: I cannot imagine Anne Appelbaum responding to the poster's statement with "This is ridiculous!" In fact, she wrote a whole book about it - and it was a best-seller too!

Even if you have studied this subject, I do not think you come across as an educated historian with "This is ridiculous". What if we all went about saying this? What if someone had said this in the fourteenth century to someone challenging the teachings of the Church? Or to an educated person going against the grain under Pol Pot?

The examples given are poor. Neither are good examples of pointless rules that Brits follow and others don’t, hence OP is being ridiculed.

Queuing is a reasonable system that works better and is fairer than elbows out, which favours physically fit young men. Stepping over barriers also favours that group. I find myself wondering whether the OP fits into the category that would benefit most from the removal of those rules.

Nomorenonbinary · 15/07/2023 15:46

maximist · 15/07/2023 15:33

I think it's something in the water.

The serpents.

WeetabixTowels · 15/07/2023 15:46

BTW not all shoplifted are hungry!! Some are no king to sell on in pubs or to profit from selling ‘out the back of a van’.

ShinyAppleDreamingOfTheSea · 15/07/2023 15:48

So what happens in between the British children who don't know now to behave in public and can't sit at a table ........ to them becoming a British adult who blindly follows all the rules Hmm ?

Fizbosshoes · 15/07/2023 15:49

The barrier at our local sainsburys is probably about elbow level for me. I'm pretty short and "stepping" or even taking a run up and attempting to leap over it would result in embarrassment and or injury when I can simply scan my receipt and carry on.
Some rules seem completely pointless but others are obviously there for good reason. Sometimes the good reason is not apparent but that doesn't necessarily mean there isn't one.

Callyem · 15/07/2023 15:50

WeetabixTowels · 15/07/2023 15:44

I feel like a need a diagram or picture of these barriers

Nothing special

To find most Brits bemusingly obedient?
BansheeofInisherin · 15/07/2023 15:51

This is a very dramatic thread. I like rules. I don't think about Pol Pot and all that, because in the UK I am just required to stand in queue and maybe scan some stuff, not inform against my neighbours! Most industries in the UK are understaffed, so a few rules may be occasionally annoying, but help get things run smoothly for most.

I am one of those super cautious people who get to the airports 3 hours in advance too. I just like order and decorum, no shouting or chaos.

Prescottdanni123 · 15/07/2023 15:51

@Fizbosshoes

I would have to hurdle the one in my sainsburys. I'm clumsy so I probably catch my foot, fall with a scream of alarm and draw everyone's attention, go flat on my face and break my nose. And somehow that is better than not following the rules like a good little Brit?

barms90 · 15/07/2023 15:52

It's a cliché but true - could the nazi genocide have happened if Germans didn't accept rules without much question?

Yeah maybe also the fear of being shot may have helped.

StefanosHill · 15/07/2023 15:52

Callyem · 15/07/2023 15:50

Nothing special

If you look carefully you can see the op’s shoe as she legs it out of the shop

Callyem · 15/07/2023 15:54

StefanosHill · 15/07/2023 15:52

If you look carefully you can see the op’s shoe as she legs it out of the shop

😂

If I tried sitting on it and spinning like the OP suggests, I'd be arrested for criminal damage!

TwoFluffyDogsOnMyBed · 15/07/2023 15:54

I follow rules that make sense.

But you know when you follow a rule that doesn’t make sense and you have that nice feeling of being ‘good’ and accepted by society? I think that many people enjoy that feeling and don’t have enough self awareness to recognise what’s happening. (Yes I am an old misanthrope 😬.)

It’s a dangerous thing because that’s how we could slide unconsciously into a dystopia. Well we’re already in one but a proper 1984 type situation. Few will notice because they’ll be too busy squabbling about who’s the best behaved.

Boomboom22 · 15/07/2023 15:55

But the scanners to exit are all over France and I've never seen one in England?

Boomboom22 · 15/07/2023 15:56

And there is a good reason for this rule, to stop the excess shoplifting self scan creates. Although it won't stop faking it or not scanning things!