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To be shocked it’s Huw?

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Shirtella · 12/07/2023 18:04

His wiki page says he’s a Christian and a weekly church goer. Not a great ambassador for them, ah well

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pendleflyer · 14/07/2023 08:50

@pintery

>>You might want to get the post removed as it's libellous - it wouldn't surprise me if HE comes after the people lying about him online when he recovers.

I do hope that after a period of rest he is getting legal advice. And then if advice leans a certain way, sues the pants of the sun. The Sun is already skulking back to the shadows on this, having chucked its sword of freedom behind a bin, so they are looking less than confident.

pintery · 14/07/2023 08:53

pendleflyer · 14/07/2023 08:50

@pintery

>>You might want to get the post removed as it's libellous - it wouldn't surprise me if HE comes after the people lying about him online when he recovers.

I do hope that after a period of rest he is getting legal advice. And then if advice leans a certain way, sues the pants of the sun. The Sun is already skulking back to the shadows on this, having chucked its sword of freedom behind a bin, so they are looking less than confident.

Me too - I'm not sure that a crusade against the tabloids would be the best course of action for someone with fragile mental health, but I hope he takes them on if he's strong enough. And sues anyone who has libelled him on social media too.

LadyBird1973 · 14/07/2023 08:59

@pendleflyer personally I didn't appreciate being lectured on family values by politicians who were shagging their colleagues behind their wives backs. Or getting handsomely paid by the state to run the country, but we're too busy dipping their wick at work, to do the job properly. I want politicians sacked when they

LadyBird1973 · 14/07/2023 09:18

@pendleflyer personally I don't think it's an improvement that we expect no moral standards from our current leaders. And that thinking this is important makes you some kind of curtain twitcher! Wanting our politicians to be basically decent, isn't a huge ask imo. We now have slid into a situation where we accept people in public life fiddle their expenses, cheat on their spouses, lie routinely. None of this makes society better.

Personally I don't care if newsreader or TV presenters pay for explicit pictures or have affairs, so long as they aren't sitting in judgement of other people. But I do care if there's an element of exploitation or bullying or anything like that.

That said, if I found out that my child's teacher was into weird shit that was detrimental to women societally, would I want them teaching my kids? Or being my vicar? Or making laws? No.
Once society as a whole comes to the conclusion that none of this stuff matters and people can do what they want (within the law) and morality has no place in determining who is employed, that's your safeguarding gone right there.

And I care that the BBC is wasting so much money on wages of its presenters and think this needs serious attention, but that's obviously a separate matter.

LadyBird1973 · 14/07/2023 09:20

The last sentence of that first post disappeared. Should say I want politicians sacked when they private behaviour is bad.

pendleflyer · 14/07/2023 09:40

LadyBird1973 · 14/07/2023 09:18

@pendleflyer personally I don't think it's an improvement that we expect no moral standards from our current leaders. And that thinking this is important makes you some kind of curtain twitcher! Wanting our politicians to be basically decent, isn't a huge ask imo. We now have slid into a situation where we accept people in public life fiddle their expenses, cheat on their spouses, lie routinely. None of this makes society better.

Personally I don't care if newsreader or TV presenters pay for explicit pictures or have affairs, so long as they aren't sitting in judgement of other people. But I do care if there's an element of exploitation or bullying or anything like that.

That said, if I found out that my child's teacher was into weird shit that was detrimental to women societally, would I want them teaching my kids? Or being my vicar? Or making laws? No.
Once society as a whole comes to the conclusion that none of this stuff matters and people can do what they want (within the law) and morality has no place in determining who is employed, that's your safeguarding gone right there.

And I care that the BBC is wasting so much money on wages of its presenters and think this needs serious attention, but that's obviously a separate matter.

We do expect leaders to have standards - to be honest. No one is saying that expenses fiddling is OK. This is all essentially about sex. That great human driver - hence the efforts of churches for centuries to repress it and so warp it. Not aware that the person in this case has ever sat in judgement on anyone or of any exploitation or bullying. Not sure what the "weird shit" is that a teacher might be "into" - smacks of that usually misused rarely defined term "pervert" to me, Maybe you should specify what this private "weird shit" could encompass? This stuff that they are it seems morally obliged to submit to a self-appointed committee of society minded women for approval? Whatever this "weird shit" might be I would assume that they would keep it in their private lives, not give classes in it complete with diagrams. So no concern of kids or anyone else.

It's entirely reasonable to expect leaders to be decent and honest.

LadyBird1973 · 14/07/2023 10:51

I think you are misunderstanding me @pendleflyer
I think there should be an expectation in jobs where you are governing or working with vulnerable people that you adhere to certain behaviour standards. Even when your personal preferences aren't illegal. So no public profiles on OF as an example. Not allowing personal political/religious views to affect workplace behaviour. Examples being that teachers shouldn't over share personal views with students or attempt to influence them politically etc. Even when those views are perfectly legal.

Re 'weird shit', supposing you had a teacher who was a supporter of incel type influencers - if that was kept completely private and never bled into their behaviour in the workplace, you'd have to respect their right to their own opinion, even if foul. And that's why you need moral judgement in workplaces, to ensure there is no bleed into their public role. But if said teacher had a SM presence that espoused those views, you would have a right to not want them working with your kids, because at that point they would have compromised their ability to do their job properly. Hence the rules around certain jobs having moral expectations around behaviour. Even if the behaviour doesn't stray into the illegal. An extreme example but conduct rules have to account for the extreme.

Now obviously none of that counts for newsreaders and tv presenters. I've never said that HE is sitting in judgment of anyone else and I personally don't care who he sleeps with etc. But I do care if he's paid a barely legal drug addict for photos because that strays into exploitation. If this is something he's done, then I don't want to see him reading the news and I don't want my money contributing to his (imo) grossly bloated salary. And since I don't get to opt out of paying for it, I think I'm allowed to have opinions on that.
It's not about sex, it's about potential exploitation. If the person selling these pictures was older, not drug addicted then I think people's views would be more live and let live.

No one wants to see a return to the NOTW days, which ruined lives with needless prying into the personal business that was not in the public interest so had no need to be published. I don't think this is the same thing, even if it did come from the Sun.

I guess the other thing with TV is that a presenter has a public persona and if that's compromised and viewers get the 'ick' for want of a better phrase, then the value of that presenter to their employer is lost - the salary is in part paid because the presenter brings a certain image or characteristic to the role. It's not solely about their ability to read an autocue. So an employer has an expectation that personal conduct won't compromise that public persona.

Charlize43 · 14/07/2023 12:04

A work colleague has just presented a very convincing speech that he could come back and save his reputation if he comes out, embraces the LGBTQ...etc community and becomes a high profile spokesman for it on the BBC... A kind of 'road to Damascus' moment - blaming the homophobia from previous eras for his behaviour. She could see him heading up Pride marches, becoming besties with Elton John and having a Graham Norton type career. She says it could be the only way out for him to turn it all around.

I need to process this, but what do you think?

JogOn123 · 14/07/2023 12:07

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Charlize43 · 14/07/2023 12:11

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How is it homophobic? I don't understand your response.

Darkandstormynite · 14/07/2023 12:20

Charlize43 · 14/07/2023 12:04

A work colleague has just presented a very convincing speech that he could come back and save his reputation if he comes out, embraces the LGBTQ...etc community and becomes a high profile spokesman for it on the BBC... A kind of 'road to Damascus' moment - blaming the homophobia from previous eras for his behaviour. She could see him heading up Pride marches, becoming besties with Elton John and having a Graham Norton type career. She says it could be the only way out for him to turn it all around.

I need to process this, but what do you think?

Didn't Kevin Spacey try this and he was called out by Rosie O'Donnell for trying to hide under the rainbow.

I'm pretty sure the LGBTQ community would be less than thrilled at being used as a get out card for high profile celebs caught in scandals. Their rights have been hard won through some very hard miles of people bravely standing up to prejudice. I'd say it's highly disrespectful to use them in such a cynical way.

StarbucksSmarterSister · 14/07/2023 12:31

MrsPapadopolis · 14/07/2023 03:11

So you are saying that the 'young person' the sun mentions (who was addicted to crack cocaine) was a teacher. ????

I'm astounded.😮

No I'm not! There was a case where a teacher was allegedly sacked for being on OF. Nothing to do with HE. I was replying to a PP.

WildUnchartedWaters · 14/07/2023 13:05

StarbucksSmarterSister · 14/07/2023 02:06

I cant think why a teacher would get sacked for OF and a newsreader wouldnt.

Because I believe the teacher had set up an account and was getting paid for photos and the newsreader was a customer.

Sorry I should have been cleared that that was entirely sarcastic.

WildUnchartedWaters · 14/07/2023 13:06

Darkandstormynite · 14/07/2023 12:20

Didn't Kevin Spacey try this and he was called out by Rosie O'Donnell for trying to hide under the rainbow.

I'm pretty sure the LGBTQ community would be less than thrilled at being used as a get out card for high profile celebs caught in scandals. Their rights have been hard won through some very hard miles of people bravely standing up to prejudice. I'd say it's highly disrespectful to use them in such a cynical way.

This

Does she live under a rock? Schofield tried that one.

WildUnchartedWaters · 14/07/2023 13:08

Againstmachine · 14/07/2023 07:02

Same reason people were excusing Schofield as they like them have seen him on TV for years.

They don't want to admit to theirselves these are disgusting seedy older men.

People didnt excuse him he got hammered and lost his job.

Some people did however show humanity for a broken man and didnt enjoy jumping on a man who expressed suicidal thoughts. Strange that in this day and age but there are some left among us who dont live on our high horse taking glee in destroying others.

StarbucksSmarterSister · 14/07/2023 14:08

WildUnchartedWaters · 14/07/2023 13:05

Sorry I should have been cleared that that was entirely sarcastic.

Ah. 🙂

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