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AIBU for feeling out of place with in-laws?

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twodifferentbeans · 08/07/2023 03:34

I’ve been with my boyfriend for a couple of months and our upbringings were very different, I feel a bit out of place around my in laws as a result.

I’m from a very middle class family and from an area that’s considered disadvantaged. There’s roughly 500 houses spread between 13 different estates, most of the houses are council owned but there’s also a handful that are owned privately. My parents are one of those who own their house privately. Our estate is named after someone on hunger strike (Catholic area).

There’s been three murders and a handful of small crimes due to certain people living here, but I’ve only ever known the place as home and have had positive memories growing up here. In general, the area has a bad name and most people don’t go on and get a third level education so there’s government grants to encourage the newer generation to go to university.

Of course, there’s a stereotype about how we should talk and act as we live in the town but my own accent and demeanour couldn’t be further from it. Usually when I introduce myself and say where I’m from, people laugh because they think I’m joking! When I first met my boyfriends sister, she laughed, said “yeah right!” and then made a lighthearted joke about the area.

The unemployment level is high. My father worked all of his life until the recession and my mother became the main bread winner for the family. Once the economy started to open back up, my parents both agreed that my father would stay at home (unless he found a good job) because childcare costs for my younger sibling would’ve defeated the purpose of him working.

Once my sister became older and consequently my father, he became less desirable for employers and had every job application rejected. I remember being sixteen writing cover letters and helping him with several applications. He became depressed because he was from a time where you didn’t finish school but went out to work and was now unemployed longterm for the first time, while his sixteen year old daughter was working part-time. He’s now 60, still unemployed, but has more or less accepted he’s retired by default.

My boyfriends family are very well off from inherited wealth. By the sounds of things, his mothers family encouraged their daughters to marry into well-off families from a certain denomination (Protestant) and they did. His parents recently had their homes and land evaluated and they figure was above £1,000,000.

They sent their children to a private, Protestant boarding school and paid for each child to go to university (and their accomdation) so no child had to work until their twenties. My boyfriends currently doing a masters (works full-time), his brothers are pilots, and his sister is a child photographer with her own business. They’ve had absolutely everything handed to them on a silver spoon (his parents had the means to do this) and will each inherit a portion of their parents wealth.

I can’t speak for any of his siblings but I feel this had a negative effect on my boyfriend. He currently works in retail while doing his masters, and seems to have no real work ethic because it’s a “low skilled” job. He is focused on his studies, has good grades, and does spend time outside of his course building his portfolio for future employers. At times, he can be a bit entitled (without realising it) and I’m always bewildered by it. Growing up, I was always told that if there’s a bin i.e. McDonalds, you put your own rubbish into it and clear the table, whereas my boyfriend would leave his rubbish there because “people are paid” to clear up.

For context, I grew up Catholic and he grew up Protestant but neither of us actually practice either religion or identity with either denomination now. His parents are very much avid church goers and even tricked his sisters husband (Catholic) into weekly meetings with the local Protestant priest before they got married! All of the siblings are married but I don’t think any of them actually married Protestant. Whereas my own father loves rebel music, only steps foot into a church for either wedding or death, and my boyfriend never even knew what rebel music was until we met.

On the whole, they’ve been lovely and very welcoming of me, but I know they’re quick to snub the area I’m from and my boyfriend seems to overcompensate for this by telling them I’ve a degree and a good job. When I’ve met cousins and aunts, one of the first questions they ask is “you’re from X, aren’t you?” so I know it has been discussed privately. My own boyfriend passes no need but I feel my in-laws look down on me a bit for it.

As a result, I try to avoid his family get togethers as I end up feeling awkward around the older generation. AIBU?

OP posts:
stevalnamechanger · 09/07/2023 11:56

Are you northern Irish?

In England you'd be solidly upper working class ( just like me) not middle class , your boyfriend sounds middle class .

Probably isnt going to work if there's these long standing family biases

stevalnamechanger · 09/07/2023 11:59

Sorry I see ROI !

You either need to own it or move on . These things don't tend to disappear

KnutonHardz · 09/07/2023 12:20

Feeling comfortable with extended family can be important for some, not so important for others. I'm from an area well known for sectarianism, obvious support for terrorists in the past (and it continues today), you can see it all it's glory in the area this week. My DH is English, likes to visit my home area for a few days each year, but would hate to live here full time.

You'll need to take time to see how things evolve in a relationship. Family, social background, religion (personally for me) are important factors for me...but there are so many more like education, hobbies, finance, and many many many more that result in a successful relationship.

SideWonder · 09/07/2023 12:31

2 months in to a relationship? Hardly your in-laws ...

And you need to just deal with it - develop your self-esteem. If you were truly middle-class you wouldn't notice these things.

AppropriateAdult · 09/07/2023 13:13

Is the OP not to be allowed to move on from her Republican background, though, @DownNative? There's nothing in her posts to suggest she's trying to perpetuate that sort of a lifestyle, aside from maybe a slightly naive surprise that her boyfriend is unfamiliar with rebel songs. She didn't choose where she came from, and no one from NI or the border counties is untouched by this sort of thing.

And counter-terrorism and anti-terrorism are two different things, to be fair; the former usually describes police and military operations whereas anti-terrorism encompasses community organisations, integration projects and so on.

Janedoe82 · 09/07/2023 13:17

AppropriateAdult people tend to be a product of their environment growing up, and sadly sectarianism tends to be bred into the vast majority of people in Northern Ireland anyway/ can’t comment on the views of southern Protestants as don’t know them, but it is undoubtedly very hard for the views of unionists and republicans to live together cohesively- likely to always be a tension. That’s been my personal experience anyway.

Meowandthen · 09/07/2023 13:28

You sound rather young, and immature. Also, you aren’t “very middle class” and his parents are not wealthy.

Best you remove the chip from your shoulder before anything else. Seems like you are looking for problems more than anything else.

AppropriateAdult · 09/07/2023 13:30

Janedoe82 · 09/07/2023 13:17

AppropriateAdult people tend to be a product of their environment growing up, and sadly sectarianism tends to be bred into the vast majority of people in Northern Ireland anyway/ can’t comment on the views of southern Protestants as don’t know them, but it is undoubtedly very hard for the views of unionists and republicans to live together cohesively- likely to always be a tension. That’s been my personal experience anyway.

I'm not denying that, but it slightly feels like we're condemning somebody who was probably born around the time of the Belfast Agreement (I'm guessing? apologies if you're much older, OP) to a life of 'sticking to her own kind' because she was brought up in a Republican estate. Mixed marriages are hardly a rarity nowadays, and neither party actually lives in NI.

Nordicrain · 09/07/2023 13:32

Chill out op, get to know them, get to know you bf, and don’t put up these weird classist/ religious barriers in your own head.

Lakeshorelilac · 09/07/2023 13:35

Janedoe82 · 09/07/2023 13:17

AppropriateAdult people tend to be a product of their environment growing up, and sadly sectarianism tends to be bred into the vast majority of people in Northern Ireland anyway/ can’t comment on the views of southern Protestants as don’t know them, but it is undoubtedly very hard for the views of unionists and republicans to live together cohesively- likely to always be a tension. That’s been my personal experience anyway.

OP doesn't live in NI though @Janedoe82. She and her boyfriend are in ROI, 40 mins and 90mins from the border respectively. That's not that close. And things in ROI are quite different. You can't judge properly if you've only experience of living in NI I feel.

Janedoe82 · 09/07/2023 14:06

Yes- I agree it may be quite different in the south. But in the north it would be very challenging.

Bababear987 · 09/07/2023 14:39

This is such an odd post. Having an estate worth over 1million in 2023 but still working into your 70s is not silver spoon material to me. And I cant see how anyone is saying your bf doesn't have good work ethic, his degree wasnt bought for him and his family didnt pay for him to be top of his class. He also does that and now works in retail so how is he silver spooning it?
If both his parents worked so he could focus on his studies as a teenager then it's not simply inherited wealth, its earned as well. You make it sound like hes mega rich and never worked for anything a day in his life.

For the record I had a job since I was 16 and although it may have improved my social skills it's also not something I feel is important I would still have the same social skills now- I didnt learn social skills from witnessing or bar tending or working in a shop. You arent held back in the world because you started a job at uni rather than high school. And sorry but I agree that low paid is generally low skilled and who the hell cares- I worked in those jobs and there is no skill to pulling a pint or taking an order or clearing a table, you just do what you have to to earn the money.

Also the whole thing about rebel songs, most protestants and many Catholics wouldn't have heard them before because they do glorify terrorism and violence. So its not that your bf is naive it's that you have normalised things which arent normal. The problem here is you and reverse snobbery.

Lakeshorelilac · 09/07/2023 14:45

Janedoe82 · 09/07/2023 14:06

Yes- I agree it may be quite different in the south. But in the north it would be very challenging.

Yes I appreciate that.
There are two COI/Catholic marriages within my own family (in reality nobody is very religious). Everyone is happy. There are some small cultural differences obvious sometimes but nothing that can't be overcome. It's all good. It wasn't like that in the past but that was a long time ago now where I live in the south.

DownNative · 09/07/2023 14:53

AppropriateAdult · 09/07/2023 13:13

Is the OP not to be allowed to move on from her Republican background, though, @DownNative? There's nothing in her posts to suggest she's trying to perpetuate that sort of a lifestyle, aside from maybe a slightly naive surprise that her boyfriend is unfamiliar with rebel songs. She didn't choose where she came from, and no one from NI or the border counties is untouched by this sort of thing.

And counter-terrorism and anti-terrorism are two different things, to be fair; the former usually describes police and military operations whereas anti-terrorism encompasses community organisations, integration projects and so on.

If the OP wishes to move on from their Republican ideological background by disavowing it, they're free to do so. And I do mean properly disavowing that Republicanism.

But there isn't any indication in their posts of wanting to do just that as it's mostly about taking potshots at her boyfriend's family. 🤷‍♂️

Theonlyreason · 09/07/2023 15:00

I think it’s very naunced overall particularly because you mentioned the Catholic/Protestant divide. As Mumsnet is very London focused I doubt this would even enter their minds. Lots of families do differ from each other though, but I do think it helps when you’re both from the same class so to speak. More middle ground and values are aligned.

DownNative · 09/07/2023 15:06

Lakeshorelilac · 09/07/2023 10:35

You accused her of coming from a Republican background @DownNative and she responded by saying none of them support terrorism so I think she understands and has a grasp of the situation pretty well! It's clear from what she said that Republicanism equals terrorism in her eyes.

A lot of what she's talking about is wealth related. Different upbringings, she speaks of her boyfriend growing up with a silver spoon in his mouth, different cultural backgrounds and expectations. I think where she lives has become much more relevant as her bf is COI, she's become defensive about it in a way when she sees how his family reacts to it.

I'm correct that the OP comes from a Republican background which was certainly not denied by the OP.

As said previously, Republicanism is of the view that they aren't terrorists so stating something very general about not supporting terrorism doesn't say much.

That then leads to the boyfriend's family being guarded and/or having a certain view which is the consequence of Republicanism. The same holds true for Loyalism.

A lot of what the OP is talking about is stereotypes of Catholics and Protestants which points towards sectarianism. There's a fair whack of negativity towards her fella's Protestant family right down to the apparently manipulative Protestant mother who "tricked" a Catholic son-in-law into meeting a priest daily before marriage. Doesn't sound plausible since Churches have signs, etc. It's usually the other way round with Catholic priests.

If there's any issue and tension there, it's to do with the politics of the OPs family being at odds with her boyfriend's family.

To be fair, it would be an issue for every person I know Catholic and Protestant to have potential in-laws from a Republican background. It is historically problematic and still is to this day for good reason.

KnutonHardz · 09/07/2023 15:08

@Janedoe82 sadly I think it is more than something "bred into" people. Of course I know lots of people who would have been exposed to that at home, in school, friends and social situations from a young age.

Elements of it are also dressed up as "culture" or "tradition". But at some point you do grow up, and make your own choices, and do what you want to do. It's a personal choice.

Having said that, I think that that poor educational opportunities, leaving school early, and under-employment are fairly common in many of the most sectarian communities in my area.

Pearsoap · 09/07/2023 15:16

Could you clarify whether you and your family are Nationalist or Republican please @twodifferentbeans? There is a big difference and it'll make a difference to the sort of replies you'll get here.
That's if you're not utterly sick of this thread by now.

SophieJo · 09/07/2023 15:33

Meowandthen · 09/07/2023 13:28

You sound rather young, and immature. Also, you aren’t “very middle class” and his parents are not wealthy.

Best you remove the chip from your shoulder before anything else. Seems like you are looking for problems more than anything else.

I agree with you.

LadyEloise1 · 09/07/2023 16:45

Missingthegore · 08/07/2023 04:28

Welcome to the little village of Belfast! Where generations of stigma are embedded.

Sad😢Sad

Lakeshorelilac · 09/07/2023 16:49

It is very sad.
However, OP's particular situation is not in Belfast or NI, but ROI @LadyEloise1 .

Janedoe82 · 09/07/2023 17:17

Lakeshorelilac Catholicism is nothing to do with republicanism. That’s where the issue arises.

MRex · 09/07/2023 17:20

OP - what songs does your DF like? Black and Tans? Foggy Dew? Rifles of the IRA?
I think I can guess that your boyfriend's family wouldn't be super impressed by those, and you know that. That's your father, but you, but your loyalty to your father shines through your OP. It's ok to love him and see his good qualities, yet criticise him for his choices in playing that music. You're so keen to find fault with your boyfriend and I wonder if that's because you've only just realised the conflict. Is it actually your dad who would be the issue here, and that's why you're tempted to destroy the relationship before it gets going.

Lakeshorelilac · 09/07/2023 17:25

Janedoe82 · 09/07/2023 17:17

Lakeshorelilac Catholicism is nothing to do with republicanism. That’s where the issue arises.

Sorry, I'm not sure what I said that you're referring to exactly @Janedoe82. I'm Catholic and certainly not a Republican so I of course agree with you, but I don't know what I said to make you doubt that.

Pearsoap · 09/07/2023 17:37

The rebel song thing is interesting. I think I've heard loads of Irish rebellious songs in my time? A pp said she couldn't believe that OP's boyfriend couldn't have heard any living where he does, so I don't think I'm alone in that.

Does it depend on what you include as a rebel song? Because I think they sort of blend into folk songs. What about 'Grace' or the 'Fields of Athenry'. Do they count? Or 'the boys of Barr na Sraide'. Or 'Follow me up to Carlow'. The latter is definitely rebellious, but set around 1580. For the vast majority in ROI listening to these songs occasionally is absolutely no endorsement of the IRA. Not at all and I can say that with confidence having lived here all my life. (There are always going to be a few lunatic exceptions but I'm talking about the vast majority of people.) They are sung in Irish and English in remembrance of our history.
I haven't heard of Rifles of the IRA mentioned above - that sounds very overt I must say. How do you distinguish folk from rebel , is there a sliding scale? Probably. And what sort of songs is OP talking about specifically.

I appreciate the quotes from John Hume that a pp posted, but he was talking about a different society at a different time. You can listen to something like 'Follow me up to Carlow' in a session in ROI and abhor the PIRA at the same time, believe me.