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AIBU for feeling out of place with in-laws?

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twodifferentbeans · 08/07/2023 03:34

I’ve been with my boyfriend for a couple of months and our upbringings were very different, I feel a bit out of place around my in laws as a result.

I’m from a very middle class family and from an area that’s considered disadvantaged. There’s roughly 500 houses spread between 13 different estates, most of the houses are council owned but there’s also a handful that are owned privately. My parents are one of those who own their house privately. Our estate is named after someone on hunger strike (Catholic area).

There’s been three murders and a handful of small crimes due to certain people living here, but I’ve only ever known the place as home and have had positive memories growing up here. In general, the area has a bad name and most people don’t go on and get a third level education so there’s government grants to encourage the newer generation to go to university.

Of course, there’s a stereotype about how we should talk and act as we live in the town but my own accent and demeanour couldn’t be further from it. Usually when I introduce myself and say where I’m from, people laugh because they think I’m joking! When I first met my boyfriends sister, she laughed, said “yeah right!” and then made a lighthearted joke about the area.

The unemployment level is high. My father worked all of his life until the recession and my mother became the main bread winner for the family. Once the economy started to open back up, my parents both agreed that my father would stay at home (unless he found a good job) because childcare costs for my younger sibling would’ve defeated the purpose of him working.

Once my sister became older and consequently my father, he became less desirable for employers and had every job application rejected. I remember being sixteen writing cover letters and helping him with several applications. He became depressed because he was from a time where you didn’t finish school but went out to work and was now unemployed longterm for the first time, while his sixteen year old daughter was working part-time. He’s now 60, still unemployed, but has more or less accepted he’s retired by default.

My boyfriends family are very well off from inherited wealth. By the sounds of things, his mothers family encouraged their daughters to marry into well-off families from a certain denomination (Protestant) and they did. His parents recently had their homes and land evaluated and they figure was above £1,000,000.

They sent their children to a private, Protestant boarding school and paid for each child to go to university (and their accomdation) so no child had to work until their twenties. My boyfriends currently doing a masters (works full-time), his brothers are pilots, and his sister is a child photographer with her own business. They’ve had absolutely everything handed to them on a silver spoon (his parents had the means to do this) and will each inherit a portion of their parents wealth.

I can’t speak for any of his siblings but I feel this had a negative effect on my boyfriend. He currently works in retail while doing his masters, and seems to have no real work ethic because it’s a “low skilled” job. He is focused on his studies, has good grades, and does spend time outside of his course building his portfolio for future employers. At times, he can be a bit entitled (without realising it) and I’m always bewildered by it. Growing up, I was always told that if there’s a bin i.e. McDonalds, you put your own rubbish into it and clear the table, whereas my boyfriend would leave his rubbish there because “people are paid” to clear up.

For context, I grew up Catholic and he grew up Protestant but neither of us actually practice either religion or identity with either denomination now. His parents are very much avid church goers and even tricked his sisters husband (Catholic) into weekly meetings with the local Protestant priest before they got married! All of the siblings are married but I don’t think any of them actually married Protestant. Whereas my own father loves rebel music, only steps foot into a church for either wedding or death, and my boyfriend never even knew what rebel music was until we met.

On the whole, they’ve been lovely and very welcoming of me, but I know they’re quick to snub the area I’m from and my boyfriend seems to overcompensate for this by telling them I’ve a degree and a good job. When I’ve met cousins and aunts, one of the first questions they ask is “you’re from X, aren’t you?” so I know it has been discussed privately. My own boyfriend passes no need but I feel my in-laws look down on me a bit for it.

As a result, I try to avoid his family get togethers as I end up feeling awkward around the older generation. AIBU?

OP posts:
MiddleParking · 08/07/2023 04:56

twodifferentbeans · 08/07/2023 04:46

Of course they’re not actually quite literally my in laws & I was saying it figuratively; they are my boyfriends family.

The purpose of the post was to state I feel out of place, which I do, because of the area I am from and the upbringing I had. I’ve no shame in where I’m from and as stated only have good memories of the place.

Fair enough, there may have been too much detail and length, but I didn’t know how else to show the contrast between us.

My issue is how they have made comments on the area and my accent. I know they are quick to snub it because they have. When I’ve met other extended relations, the area I’m from is the first thing they ask about, and there is a certain tone.

The religious aspect doesn’t effect either myself or my boyfriend because neither of us are religious (agnostic) but his parents (mother in particularly) would love for her children to be with other Protestants, which, hasn’t worked out for her so far!

That’s Northern Ireland for you. I think it’s highly unrealistic to expect them not to comment on it. Can you not just laugh it off? It’s all a bit heavy weather.

twodifferentbeans · 08/07/2023 04:56

CrazyArmadilloLady · 08/07/2023 04:50

As before, I think the issue is less incompatibility with his family, and more incompatibility with him.

Ignoring our different upbringing, we are two peas in a pod. Of course, the entitled comments he makes aren’t ones I’d ever but anytime I’ve called him out on it, he is quick to apologize and clarify he didn’t mean it that way but takes accountability and admits he can see how it was taken up that way. Once he’s been called out, he usually never makes any comments alike again.

We are healthy communicators, supportive of each other, enjoy the same music, going to events, have similar hobbies, enjoy travelling, and aren’t shy to try baking/cooking new dishes despite having 0 culinary skills between us.

As mentioned, we’re still very much in our honeymoon phase and not killing each other yet!

OP posts:
twodifferentbeans · 08/07/2023 04:59

MiddleParking · 08/07/2023 04:56

That’s Northern Ireland for you. I think it’s highly unrealistic to expect them not to comment on it. Can you not just laugh it off? It’s all a bit heavy weather.

We are actually from ROI/South not NI. I’m closer to the northern border (40 minutes) than he is (1.5 hours). I have friends who live in Belfast and visit once every month-6 weeks and have never felt any stick for being where I’m from there really. I don’t think it’s a religious thing with his parents but more so the area I’m from.

She doesn’t care the other partners aren’t Protestant so I wouldn’t assume it has much of a hold on me, but I say she’d only love for her last son/baby of house to maybe marry a Protestant 🤣 the rest of the siblings live further from here (different countries) while my boyfriend lives right next door!

OP posts:
MiddleParking · 08/07/2023 05:03

twodifferentbeans · 08/07/2023 04:59

We are actually from ROI/South not NI. I’m closer to the northern border (40 minutes) than he is (1.5 hours). I have friends who live in Belfast and visit once every month-6 weeks and have never felt any stick for being where I’m from there really. I don’t think it’s a religious thing with his parents but more so the area I’m from.

She doesn’t care the other partners aren’t Protestant so I wouldn’t assume it has much of a hold on me, but I say she’d only love for her last son/baby of house to maybe marry a Protestant 🤣 the rest of the siblings live further from here (different countries) while my boyfriend lives right next door!

Point stands though, and none of it ever really has much to do with religion. Altogether though if you’ve got issues with your boyfriend and his mum after two months and they live next door to one another (yikes) I’d think very carefully.

Ponderingwindow · 08/07/2023 05:06

Your comments about your boyfriends work ethic are what really jump out. You say he did well at university and is taking his masters degree and portfolio seriously. You also say he has a part-time job while working on his masters. None of that implies a poor work ethic.

jobs with zero required qualifications for hire are frequently referred to as “low-skilled” jobs. That doesn’t mean they aren’t hard work, they just don’t require qualifications or specialty skills before hire. He isn’t saying anything offensive.

you really do need to consider if this relationship will work long-term. Your values may just be too far apart. For example, if you have the means, would you help your children with university to the same extent as your boyfriend received. You may find that you both have very different views on how best to raise a child at every age and there may or may not be enough common ground for compromise.

SunSurfSand · 08/07/2023 05:15

If you are looking for a long term relationship then values are really important. I think of all things that's the one to be compatible on.

How old are you? Your boyfriend may still learn about the world and how other people live, is he open to that? Have you discussed his privilege with him?

That said, if you're a few months in and you are having fun- then don't ruin it for yourself by applying this criteria too early. It's odd to refer to them as 'in laws'- you aren't married- you've barely been dating for long! If you're having fun, you're attractive to him and enjoying his company then just relax and see where it goes.

The values/upbringing/family stuff should be left for down the road- once you're sure about the man as an individual.

SunSurfSand · 08/07/2023 05:17

Also check yourself for for reverse snobbery.

People chat about where they are from, that doesn't mean they look down on you.

If they are welcoming and accepting of you, then what does it matter if they are aware that you grew up in a lower socioeconomic area?

You gave a lot of detail about your dad's unemployment- that must have been so hard for you all. And it is very unfair. But your in laws didn't have anything to do with it, so try not to link the two issues.

Honeychickpea · 08/07/2023 05:18

If I was dating someone for a couple of months and they were already calling my family their in laws I'd run like hell.

redskyatnight99 · 08/07/2023 05:21

@twodifferentbeans you need to lighten up!

kweeble · 08/07/2023 05:22

It is very early days - why so much detail? I would focus on your relationship and not see his family much at this stage. You don’t need to justify where you’re from or why you’re different to the rest.

Equalitea · 08/07/2023 05:23

You say that your boyfriends dad has inherited wealth, the farm etc. What was his mothers background? I was just wondering whether she herself ‘married up’ or came with her own wealth?

Did I read correctly, property/land valued at around one million pounds? Land too for one million? Wow. It’s not uncommon for new builds with postage stamp sized gardens or apartments in nice areas to come in at around that price, so although I’m not minimising one million, it’s not the absolute fortune that it once was. Certainly not the kind of money to feel insecure/inadequate/different about.

I wouldn’t pay any attention to his parents, you’re educated and financially independent. I am actually surprised that given the circumstances (different background and religion) it’s even an issue that you feel necessary to raise, aren’t these reactions to be expected? I don’t expect that it’s an uncommon situation and is just one of those things that will likely die out with their generation or at least water down!
If you and him settle down then you may have to spend more time with his parents but many couples have successful relationships without the approval/involvement/regular contact of in laws.
I feel some posters are being a little unkind about your boyfriend and the McDs incident, perhaps he didn’t know or stop to think that you could/should still help despite having staff there who may clean up. If he doesn’t frequent those type of places then he’d not necessarily been exposed to the correct behaviour or was modelling behaviour of whoever he last went with!

MiddleParking · 08/07/2023 05:26

OP did you post something else (intended to be relatively lighthearted) about this boyfriend yesterday? If it was you then you really need to dial back the intensity all round. You don’t know him very well and there are already significant issues in the relationship. But you come across as hyper-focused on him and you’re making big future plans. It doesn’t bode well and it’s not something men generally thank you for.

Made4Sunshine · 08/07/2023 05:33

I think you are overthinking , It's 2023 !
Just get on with it.
The world is a huge place and its only people with small brains who hold such neanderthal prejudices.
I've a school pal who married a Zulu warrior.
She grew up in a huge country estate her family have owned for centuries. His family live nomadically and don't speak English.
They love each other and their kids and that is what matters.

DrovemyChevvytothelevy · 08/07/2023 05:38

I get it. You feel out of synch. It’s uncomfortable when you can’t relate or someone can’t relate to you. There’s a gap of understanding/appreciation of situation. It may not grow but it’s unlikely to disappear. I guess the big question is can you live with it?

Definitelynotagoodidea · 08/07/2023 05:54

Try and relax and enjoy the relationship. You are overanalysing a couple of innocuous comments from his family due to their perceived tone.

My DH’s family is very well off and their main property has just been valued at 3.5 million, all the kids private school educated etc. My upbringing was not the same and I moved to be with my DH from my home town up north. I was pretty intimidated when I first went to the house but although there have been some gentle teasing about my home town I’ve never felt lesser than them. My MIL recently told me how good I am for her son as I’m “so down to earth” and she really does mean it as a compliment.

I’m almost certain your in laws will not be looking down on you and probably hoping you’ll knock some manners/appreciation into their son.

Equalitea · 08/07/2023 06:02

Made4Sunshine · 08/07/2023 05:33

I think you are overthinking , It's 2023 !
Just get on with it.
The world is a huge place and its only people with small brains who hold such neanderthal prejudices.
I've a school pal who married a Zulu warrior.
She grew up in a huge country estate her family have owned for centuries. His family live nomadically and don't speak English.
They love each other and their kids and that is what matters.

Zulus are royalty. They aren’t a nomadic tribe. The King and the majority of Zulu’s still live in Kwa Zulu Natal.

Equalitea · 08/07/2023 06:06

Sorry should say, are ‘sometimes’ royalty.

MrsSamR · 08/07/2023 06:21

Focusing on the wrong thing I know but you're mixing up metaphors - you have everything handed to you on a silver platter or you are born with a silver spoon in your mouth but anyway...

As PPs have said it all sounds like more your issue than theirs. It sounds as though they have been perfectly welcoming and only made passing comment on where you're from. You seem to resent their privilege which they have acknowledged but also sound like hard workers and nice people. It's a new relationship so if it bothers you now it'll get worse. There's no reason for it to impact your relationship.

Kingoftheroad · 08/07/2023 06:28

Well said

Overtiredagain · 08/07/2023 07:09

Major reverse snobbery going on here. You think you're better than them.

Coolhwip · 08/07/2023 07:13

I also found it a bit funny the amount of detail you’ve gone into, but in.a good way. 500 houses spread across 13 estates. 😊

But joking aside, it sounds like these people really like you, or they wouldn’t be inviting a girlfriend of 2 months for tea so often.

You are worth just as much as them, relax and enjoy time with boyfriend.

Cherryblossomed · 08/07/2023 07:17

It doesn’t even sound like you are compatible with your boyfriend. So I wouldn’t worry about the family too much.

manontroppo · 08/07/2023 07:29

Agree with the reverse snobbery comments, you’re chippy as fuck. And frankly as a northern Prod the tone of your comments about your boyfriend’s Proddy family got right up my nose, so maybe they are picking up on that too?

It’s reverse snobbery plus some good old fashioned sectarianism.

norestguests · 08/07/2023 07:31

OP, there are always in laws and I think you found lovely, but you're overthinking this. Don't let your background limit your future. It doesn't matter how many houses were in the estate, or that your dad was unemployed - just focus on who you are now. Be careful also about 'reverse snobbery' - just because this boyfriend has never worked in retail or whatever through uni - so what really? I'm sure he'll work hard at whatever he's working towards. Just take people for who they are. It's all relative.

DownNative · 08/07/2023 07:39

twodifferentbeans · 08/07/2023 04:59

We are actually from ROI/South not NI. I’m closer to the northern border (40 minutes) than he is (1.5 hours). I have friends who live in Belfast and visit once every month-6 weeks and have never felt any stick for being where I’m from there really. I don’t think it’s a religious thing with his parents but more so the area I’m from.

She doesn’t care the other partners aren’t Protestant so I wouldn’t assume it has much of a hold on me, but I say she’d only love for her last son/baby of house to maybe marry a Protestant 🤣 the rest of the siblings live further from here (different countries) while my boyfriend lives right next door!

You have an unhealthy level of focus on your respective religious backgrounds and you're drawing on stereotypes of Catholics as well as Protestants.

A lot. You see, Catholics aren't necessarily Republicans and Protestants aren't necessarily well off (inherited or otherwise).

I get the impression you're from County Monaghan.

You not only come across as a reverse snob, but also sectarian to a degree which wouldn't be surprising given you say you came from an area in the Republic of Ireland named after a PSF/PIRA terrorist and your father listens to "rebel" songs which Hume noted glorifies anti-Unionist violence.

You're projecting your own anxieties/prejudices onto your boyfriend's family despite the fact they seem to be welcoming to you.

It's natural for you to feel uncomfortable not with the religious background of your respective families, but with the politics. Especially that of your family and area you come from as its one that has never had majority support/acceptance in the Republic. Most don't view it as something to be proud of just like they don't Loyalism. Unionism and Nationalism are different to these.

As a result, you're defensive with respect to his family and look down on them in your replies. You're even contradictory about your boyfriend's family!

I'm afraid this is YOUR issue. Not his family's. I imagine they do disapprove of your family's Republican politics, but that's normal. However, you're clearly insecure with it as deep down you know that kind of politics is problematic. Otherwise what his family might think wouldn't bother you.

Is it an estate built by PSF/PIRAs Tom McFeely you come from? I know he got into property developing in the Republic of Ireland and was well dodgy in the construction business too. Also was a Hungerstriker.