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AIBU for feeling out of place with in-laws?

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twodifferentbeans · 08/07/2023 03:34

I’ve been with my boyfriend for a couple of months and our upbringings were very different, I feel a bit out of place around my in laws as a result.

I’m from a very middle class family and from an area that’s considered disadvantaged. There’s roughly 500 houses spread between 13 different estates, most of the houses are council owned but there’s also a handful that are owned privately. My parents are one of those who own their house privately. Our estate is named after someone on hunger strike (Catholic area).

There’s been three murders and a handful of small crimes due to certain people living here, but I’ve only ever known the place as home and have had positive memories growing up here. In general, the area has a bad name and most people don’t go on and get a third level education so there’s government grants to encourage the newer generation to go to university.

Of course, there’s a stereotype about how we should talk and act as we live in the town but my own accent and demeanour couldn’t be further from it. Usually when I introduce myself and say where I’m from, people laugh because they think I’m joking! When I first met my boyfriends sister, she laughed, said “yeah right!” and then made a lighthearted joke about the area.

The unemployment level is high. My father worked all of his life until the recession and my mother became the main bread winner for the family. Once the economy started to open back up, my parents both agreed that my father would stay at home (unless he found a good job) because childcare costs for my younger sibling would’ve defeated the purpose of him working.

Once my sister became older and consequently my father, he became less desirable for employers and had every job application rejected. I remember being sixteen writing cover letters and helping him with several applications. He became depressed because he was from a time where you didn’t finish school but went out to work and was now unemployed longterm for the first time, while his sixteen year old daughter was working part-time. He’s now 60, still unemployed, but has more or less accepted he’s retired by default.

My boyfriends family are very well off from inherited wealth. By the sounds of things, his mothers family encouraged their daughters to marry into well-off families from a certain denomination (Protestant) and they did. His parents recently had their homes and land evaluated and they figure was above £1,000,000.

They sent their children to a private, Protestant boarding school and paid for each child to go to university (and their accomdation) so no child had to work until their twenties. My boyfriends currently doing a masters (works full-time), his brothers are pilots, and his sister is a child photographer with her own business. They’ve had absolutely everything handed to them on a silver spoon (his parents had the means to do this) and will each inherit a portion of their parents wealth.

I can’t speak for any of his siblings but I feel this had a negative effect on my boyfriend. He currently works in retail while doing his masters, and seems to have no real work ethic because it’s a “low skilled” job. He is focused on his studies, has good grades, and does spend time outside of his course building his portfolio for future employers. At times, he can be a bit entitled (without realising it) and I’m always bewildered by it. Growing up, I was always told that if there’s a bin i.e. McDonalds, you put your own rubbish into it and clear the table, whereas my boyfriend would leave his rubbish there because “people are paid” to clear up.

For context, I grew up Catholic and he grew up Protestant but neither of us actually practice either religion or identity with either denomination now. His parents are very much avid church goers and even tricked his sisters husband (Catholic) into weekly meetings with the local Protestant priest before they got married! All of the siblings are married but I don’t think any of them actually married Protestant. Whereas my own father loves rebel music, only steps foot into a church for either wedding or death, and my boyfriend never even knew what rebel music was until we met.

On the whole, they’ve been lovely and very welcoming of me, but I know they’re quick to snub the area I’m from and my boyfriend seems to overcompensate for this by telling them I’ve a degree and a good job. When I’ve met cousins and aunts, one of the first questions they ask is “you’re from X, aren’t you?” so I know it has been discussed privately. My own boyfriend passes no need but I feel my in-laws look down on me a bit for it.

As a result, I try to avoid his family get togethers as I end up feeling awkward around the older generation. AIBU?

OP posts:
Maddy70 · 08/07/2023 10:31

I honestly think you have a chip on your shoulder. Be you stop worrying. Relax I am from a wealthy family my dh from a rough council estate.
We make fun of each other... If I say I'm skint he mocks that I'm "down to my last pony". I mock him for things too It's all good natured and silliness. In actually fact he's done really well for himself. Two successful businesses and has earned far much than ever will. My family know wheres he from it's never been an issue I actual found his family kind of looked down their nose at me and my family as "you don't know how hard it was for us" etc

Just ignore and enjoy each others company division is only there if you let it

Gazelda · 08/07/2023 10:36

You've not been with him long. You enjoy his company. Just carry on enjoying spending time together and getting to know each other.

He may turn out not to be 'the one', in which case you can finish things and move on. Or if this is going to be a long term relationship, you can gradually find your place in the family.

You don't need to spend much time with his family if you don't want to at this point. When you do, hold your head high - you are no better or worse than them.

And remember, they're getting to know you too. They are showing an interest in their son's girlfriend. It would be rude if they hadn't.

As for the MacDonald's, I'd have simply laughed at him and told him that no one else should have to clean up after him, go put the wrappers in bin.

NoSquirrels · 08/07/2023 10:40

On the whole, they’ve been lovely and very welcoming of me, but I know they’re quick to snub the area I’m from and my boyfriend seems to overcompensate for this by telling them I’ve a degree and a good job. When I’ve met cousins and aunts, one of the first questions they ask is “you’re from X, aren’t you?” so I know it has been discussed privately. My own boyfriend passes no need but I feel my in-laws look down on me a bit for it.

Kindly, if they’ve been ‘nothing but lovely’ except for a few surprised remarks that you come from an area that’s considered by everyone to be ‘a bit rough’ but you don’t seem typical of someone who lives there, then this is a you problem not a them problem as in, stop feeling inferior cos you’re not.

Usually when I introduce myself and say where I’m from, people laugh because they think I’m joking!

You’ve had this reaction all your life, I assume. Why think his family are looking down on you? It’s just something to talk about when you first meet, it’ll soon stop being a topic of conversation.

Be proud of your background. Stop thinking you know what other people are thinking. That’s prejudiced in a different way.

Neverinamonthofsundays · 08/07/2023 10:43

I am still a bit baffled at him being from ROI 1.5 hours from the border and from a protestant area to be honest. If he is in ROI regardless of his religion he would hear rebel songs all the time.

All that aside you say religion is not a factor but you have done nothing but talk about it. I am from ROI and my DP is from NI and if we were from opposite religions despite both being atheist now it would never work.

2bazookas · 08/07/2023 10:48

What are you moaning for?

Thanks to your family upbringing you've achieved all the advantages you want or need and the world is your oyster.

Just like your BF. So why resent his?

Sounds like you don't much care for BF, or his mindset, behaviour, outlook, family, so just get another one. There are plenty of fish in the sea and you are the captain of your own life.

DownNative · 08/07/2023 10:50

twodifferentbeans · 08/07/2023 10:26

I grew up in a Catholic household and my boyfriend grew up in a Protestant household. Neither of us believe in either religion and haven’t identified with either in over 10+ years. Of course, we’ve chatted about our views on religion and are very much on the same page about or beliefs; something out there but unsure what.

Personally, I don’t agree with the Catholic church for various reasons i.e. the sexual abuse and baby homes. My mum was born in the UK and her parents weren’t as religious as my fathers who were devout Catholics, my grandfather being a pioneer is whole life. Neither of my parents pay any heed to the Catholic church and only attend church when they have too. Both believe, like myself, something is out there but they’re quite sure if Catholicsm is exactly that.

My dad listens to rebel music because he enjoys it, not because he is a big IRA man. The point I was trying to make here is my boyfriend had never even heard those songs (and they’re huge on nights out here) and doesn’t really know much about Ireland’s fight for independence, which I was taught in school, we were in Belfast and there was a mural of Bobby Sands and he asked who he was. None of us support any forms of terrorism, and I actually work in anti-terrorism across the ROI and NI (mainly NI based but WFH).

His mother asked was I a Catholic because of the area I’m from (street name) and I was open about my beliefs, stating I didn’t identity with any denomination. She then said they were Protestants, which, I was aware of, and told me a bit about their religion and I listened. As explained, she did want her children to marry Protestants and none have, they all live at a distance so it’s never really a hot topic and the one partner (sisters husband) who does live nearby was told he had to have weekly meetings with the local priest before they married.

His parents are closer to my grandparents age and his kids are the newer generation, similar to myself, that don’t have any real religious bearing

You're mostly talking about religion there and not political backgrounds. These are two different things with some overlap, but those overlaps are not concrete at all.

So, the issue is politically based.

You yourself identify multiple times that you come from an estate in the Republic of Ireland named after a PSF/PIRA hungerstriker aka terrorist. In this context, it isn't surprising your father listens to "rebel" music aka terrorist glorifying music. If you think its not, here's John Hume on that issue:

"There is another problem which concerns us specifically.....and that is the mythology of violence with which our particular political tradition has grown up. Violence has been glorified by anti-Unionists throughout Irish history. Songs have been sung about it; the ballads have been sung about it. Is it any wonder that if we sing the songs of violence and glorify violence young people take us at our word and believe that when they take up a gun they are committing acts of patriotism?

Therefore, it is not enough to blame young people who are involved in the Provisional I.R.A. We must examine the whole political ethos, of our society and eradicate from it all traces of glorification of violence."

Indeed, we can paraphrase Hume to assert that it is NOT enough to blame those who are involved in the INLA and the New IRA - or the UVF and UDA. The problem at the heart of it that leads to, endorses and sustains illegal, undemocratic and immoral violence is that of the glorification of violence.

That's largely done in cultural modes such as singing "rebel" music. Hence, it's a real problem.

So, if none of your family support any form of terrorism and you say you work in anti-terrorism.....you should straight away see the problem with those songs?

And popular where you live? That speaks to it being a predominantly Republican area in one of the border counties. Most likely County Monaghan - it does have PIRA memorials there, one was demolished in the middle of the night about 3 years ago. And rebuilt.

Like yours, my family is of a Catholic background from Northern Ireland. Unlike yours, we've been specifically targeted by the Provos, wouldn't ever endorse those "rebel" songs and lived in a mixed area.

The point I'm making here and from your own examples is that you are clearly insecure about the Republican background you grew up in to the point where you project onto others in a defensive manner. Even when they've been welcoming to you.

Everything else is just window dressing.

Additionally, you work in anti-terrorism - what exactly? Those who do refer to it as counter-terrorism.

A lot of the issues at play here will go right over the heads of most of the GB posters here.

But the issue of your Republican background is yours. Deep down, you're aware it's problematic for most people regardless of their religious background.

WomanStanleyWoman2 · 08/07/2023 12:47

My boyfriend never had to work until he graduated because his parents paid for his degree, accomdation, and provided him with an allowance so he could focus on his studies and achieve good grades (which he did, becoming top of his class). He never worked any “low skilled” jobs as he calls them in bars or retailing until recently, and has no real appreciation for them because he personally doesn’t find them stimulating. So, as a result, his work ethic is subsequently poor but he has a good work ethic when it comes to studying and building his portfolio.

So he got top grades at uni, is pushing himself to do better and get more qualifications and build a portfolio, but you’re moaning he has no “work ethic”? Newsflash - the majority of students working part-time jobs to get through their studies don’t give a toss about said jobs. If you think he’s alone in this, you’re very naive.

You'd hate me, as I find the whole thing of customers stacking up their own plates or moving everything down to one end of the table to “make it easier” totally cringeworthy. It’s all too Head Cook and Bottlewasher; people who do this are trying to show how nice they are by “trying to help”. They never consider that actually, the staff might (for example) prefer to clear plates a few at a time rather than be presented with a huge pile at the end of the table and a look expectant of gratitude.

You seem quite determined to see him as a naive little rich boy who doesn’t know anything about life because he didn’t have to work in a bar job to get through uni and because - shock horror! - he’d never even heard of rebel music! It’s patronising. If you can’t engage with him as an adult without feeling like you have to educate him, set him free.

Janedoe82 · 08/07/2023 15:51

I agree with Downnative.
My brother married into a republican family. It’s been a horrendous experience. Protestants will accept Catholics, no problem, but republicanism isn’t anything to do with Catholicism. It’s pure evil and caused so much hurt and damage. And by not voicing disgust at it, you are effectively condoning it. Singing rebel songs?? Come on!! No body decent does this.
Look what happened when Michelle O Neill went to Bobby Storeys funeral- all hell broke loose as Protestants realised that once a republican always a republican.

Equalitea · 08/07/2023 22:15

PrimalOwl10 · 08/07/2023 08:35

Tbh op you don't come across as middle class from what you describe, if anything your working class. I am too but I own it, it doesn't define me. Your childhood seems identical to mine. My parents are own their own home too mum worked dad was a sahd. Middle class tends to be 2 working professionals who can afford the additional extras. I think you need to just own it, you seem to be making of an issue out it then everyone else.

From description I agree that OP isn’t middle class.
Absolutely nothing wrong with being or growing up working class, also lots of people climb socially. I think often it’s people who are insecure that profess to be in a higher social class than they are.

Whattodo112222 · 08/07/2023 22:54

I think you just need to calm down a bit.

Hbh17 · 08/07/2023 22:58

OP, they are not your 'in laws". They are people you barely know because you are in the very early stages of a relationship with their son. It's surely way too early to be meeting his family anyway? Just relax and get to know the guy first.

Lakeshorelilac · 09/07/2023 02:33

The point I'm making here and from your own examples is that you are clearly insecure about the Republican background you grew up in to the point where you project onto others in a defensive manner. Even when they've been welcoming to you.

Everything else is just window dressing.

Umm - where does OP say she comes from a Republican background?

From what she's said I'd assume Nationalist, but Republican is a big step further.
Lots of Irish people listen to rebel songs from time to time. In the vast majority of cases they're glorifying the past, those who died centuries ago or in the War of Independence (and the latter are equivalent to our WW heroes). The songs aren't meant to support modern day terrorist activity, certainly they don't in ROI as a rule. Yeah, it might be politically incorrect to sing them, but it definitely doesn't automatically equate with being a PIRA supporter!

Lakeshorelilac · 09/07/2023 03:19

Also OP very clearly said

None of us support any forms of terrorism, and I actually work in anti-terrorism across the ROI and NI...

She's thus clarified she's not from a Republican background so maybe people could stop talking about her Republican background???

MrsElsa · 09/07/2023 03:37

If he didn't have the money, would you be with him? Genuinely. He doesn't sound very attractive. Leaving rubbish out is desperately unsexy

unfortunateevents · 09/07/2023 03:59

It's years, in fact decades, since I left Ireland (Republic), although like many people, I have friends in the north as well. I'm thoroughly disheartened to find that this kind of S%*t is still going on and apparently matters to people, even someone of your generation. You say that your boyfriend's family lives an hour and a half from the border – I mean you could easily get to Dublin in that time, which no one would describe as being anywhere near the border so it's thoroughly depressing to hear this whole saga about Protestant/Catholic/rebel estates/ Protestant schools/interfaith marriages etc is still going on. Apart from me, my entire family still live in Ireland (probably about two hours from the border) and I have to say the things you are describing are completely alien to me. There is a traditionally very Republican area in a town not far from where my brother lives, but I feel it's been at least 20 years since anyone has displayed any of the attitudes that you are talking about here. It's really depressing to hear that people are still looking backwards so much in some areas.

FluffyFlannery · 09/07/2023 04:05

You sound like you have a chip on your shoulder. I’d bow out now and find someone you match socially.

manontroppo · 09/07/2023 08:05

unfortunateevents · 09/07/2023 03:59

It's years, in fact decades, since I left Ireland (Republic), although like many people, I have friends in the north as well. I'm thoroughly disheartened to find that this kind of S%*t is still going on and apparently matters to people, even someone of your generation. You say that your boyfriend's family lives an hour and a half from the border – I mean you could easily get to Dublin in that time, which no one would describe as being anywhere near the border so it's thoroughly depressing to hear this whole saga about Protestant/Catholic/rebel estates/ Protestant schools/interfaith marriages etc is still going on. Apart from me, my entire family still live in Ireland (probably about two hours from the border) and I have to say the things you are describing are completely alien to me. There is a traditionally very Republican area in a town not far from where my brother lives, but I feel it's been at least 20 years since anyone has displayed any of the attitudes that you are talking about here. It's really depressing to hear that people are still looking backwards so much in some areas.

I left a similar time to you and I’m not surprised at all. I always roll my eyes when people are “ach sure, no one bothers their head about that nonsense these days”. It’s never far from the surface despite how modern we like to pretend we are.

See also the number of primary schools still engaging with first communion, whilst everyone protests that the Church is an irrelevance in Ireland these days.

DownNative · 09/07/2023 09:30

Lakeshorelilac · 09/07/2023 03:19

Also OP very clearly said

None of us support any forms of terrorism, and I actually work in anti-terrorism across the ROI and NI...

She's thus clarified she's not from a Republican background so maybe people could stop talking about her Republican background???

No, the OP has clearly made a point of stating they come from an estate named after a PSF/PIRA hungerstriker aka terrorist. This is only a feature of Republican areas.

On top of that, her father listens to so-called "rebel" music with all the problems that comes with it as highlighted by the late John Hume. The point there is those songs encourage political violence and is a part of the ideology to this day of Republican terrorist groups who will point to those as PIRA did. Hume was right that the only way forward is to eradicate that kind of thing in songs because "Is it any wonder that if we sing the songs of violence and glorify violence young people take us at our word and believe that when they take up a gun they are committing acts of patriotism?".

So, the OP is from a Republican background themselves. It's certainly not a Nationalist background.

A Republican background is problematic in a way a Nationalist one isn't. One is traditionally violent and one is constitutional as revised by Hume.

Lakeshorelilac · 09/07/2023 09:34

See also the number of primary schools still engaging with first communion, whilst everyone protests that the Church is an irrelevance in Ireland these days.

The Church doesn’t have the control it once did, that the difference. Priests don't have power anymore. A majority of people are still Catholic (69%), though many of the less religious would probably describe themselves as more culturally Catholic than anything else. Lots of those who don't consider themselves religious anymore will have been brought up in a Catholic background too.

DownNative · 09/07/2023 09:45

manontroppo · 09/07/2023 08:05

I left a similar time to you and I’m not surprised at all. I always roll my eyes when people are “ach sure, no one bothers their head about that nonsense these days”. It’s never far from the surface despite how modern we like to pretend we are.

See also the number of primary schools still engaging with first communion, whilst everyone protests that the Church is an irrelevance in Ireland these days.

Yes, Emer O'Toole wrote about it in a 2019 Guardian article:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/apr/10/ireland-secularise-schools-catholic-dublin-divestment

90% of primary schools in the Republic of Ireland are still under the control of the Catholic Church.

Ireland's attempts to secularise its schools have turned to farce | Emer O'Toole

Catholic schools in Dublin are circulating misinformation about what divestment will mean, says Irish academic Emer O’Toole

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/apr/10/ireland-secularise-schools-catholic-dublin-divestment

Lakeshorelilac · 09/07/2023 09:46

What bit of
None of us support any forms of terrorism, and I actually work in anti-terrorism across the ROI and NI...
don't you understand @DownNative?

Jesus, you can't just go around accusing people of supporting terrorism!!! Especially when they've made it very clear they absolutely don't.

Because of where they live??!!

I'm assuming from your username you're from Co Down. Whatever about NI I don't think you understand ROI well at all.

DownNative · 09/07/2023 10:05

Lakeshorelilac · 09/07/2023 09:46

What bit of
None of us support any forms of terrorism, and I actually work in anti-terrorism across the ROI and NI...
don't you understand @DownNative?

Jesus, you can't just go around accusing people of supporting terrorism!!! Especially when they've made it very clear they absolutely don't.

Because of where they live??!!

I'm assuming from your username you're from Co Down. Whatever about NI I don't think you understand ROI well at all.

Hmm. From the perspective of a Republican, they certainly don't consider it to be terrorism at all. Republicanism isn't different over the border, you know.

Nor do I buy their claim about working in "anti-terrorism" as I hinted previously with my reference to counter-terrorism.

The OP very clearly identifies themselves as coming from an estate named after a PSF/PIRA hungerstriker which marks it out as a Republican area. It's more the norm than not that residents hold the ideological position of the areas they come from. This is as true of the border counties as it is of Northern Ireland itself. The other bits of information really points to a Republican background too. Indeed, their sectarian attitude has been picked up on by multiple people too.

I don't think the OP needs you to attempt to fight their battles for them. Their own attitude and background is clear enough to everyone else.

Janedoe82 · 09/07/2023 10:19

downnative- exactly that. Republicans don’t see the IRA as terrorists, they see them as an army of freedom fighters. They say things like ‘the war is over’ and can give off about dissidents, but equally believe previous acts of what every one else see as terrorism as justified. There is an entire Republican sub culture which I think many people just don’t grasp (as it’s too abhorrent to do so)

Lakeshorelilac · 09/07/2023 10:35

You accused her of coming from a Republican background @DownNative and she responded by saying none of them support terrorism so I think she understands and has a grasp of the situation pretty well! It's clear from what she said that Republicanism equals terrorism in her eyes.

A lot of what she's talking about is wealth related. Different upbringings, she speaks of her boyfriend growing up with a silver spoon in his mouth, different cultural backgrounds and expectations. I think where she lives has become much more relevant as her bf is COI, she's become defensive about it in a way when she sees how his family reacts to it.

ChildrenOfTheQuorn · 09/07/2023 11:43

I have a very very similar situation myself. I'm from an impoverished seaside town. My husband isn't. His family is incredibly wealthy by anyone's standards. Difference is, I don't lack self confidence. If his family joke about my home town, I joke about theirs. If I get a comment about my parents' (former) jobs, I say that they earned enough to retire early and enjoy their hobbies so they're not that badly off. Just own it basically.